Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Ethnic Cleansing in Northern Greece

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: delete. The SandDoctor Talk 01:35, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Ethnic Cleansing in Northern Greece


WP:COATRACK nationalist WP:POV-fest, using atrocities (which were universal during the conflict) to indicate a "genocide" during the Balkan Wars; trying to connect them with the Metaxas regime of twenty years later by name-dropping Metaxas as "leading" the Greek conquest of Macedonia (he was merely a senior staff officer); using pro-Bulgarian POV ethnographic maps to "illustrate" the article; references are Wikipedia articles and blogs; context is largely missing (e.g. the perception of the Slavic minorities as potential agents of Bulgarian and later Yugoslav, irredentism, which given the maps the article creator himself included here was not so far-fetched). In short, isolated instances of wartime atrocities, political persecution and rights violations (of which there undoubtedly have been quite a few) are coatracked into full-blown "ethnic cleansing" and even "genocide", which is not quite the same thing... We already have a far better article at Slavic speakers of Greek Macedonia for the topic. Constantine  ✍  20:17, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep for now, and discuss at the draft talk page. There has been no effort to resolve the tone issues in this draft.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:49, 11 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete that sure seems like a cobbled together POV fest. The title is a problem and makes a lousy redirect. This editor should discuss their proposed changes on the appropriate article talk pages not try to invent a topic that crosses multiple eras. Legacypac (talk) 04:24, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Leaning Delete  per Nom and Legacypac, and because my reading is that it fundamentally violates WP:SYNTH. None of the sources demonstrate notability, at all, not even plausibly, for the general topic. Delete per WP:Coatrack, it is dangerous unreliable OR to collect this together. OR is often tolerated in drafts, but this is too much, noting the POV COATRACK angles. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:16, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I disagree with Compassionate727 that this is G10 material, I think it is merely WP:OR and WP:COATRACK. I've made some effort to see if there is any worthy substance to the topic.  I find, no.  Slavic speakers of Greek Macedonia, as per nom, looks to be the most relevant article, and it does not contain the term "ethnic clean"...  Indeeding, "ethnic cleansing" is a 1990s neologism, and this looks like an attempt to retrospectively apply it to distant historical events in what needs to be called historical revisionism.  This can be worthy history scholarship, but in this case I can find absolutely nothing corresponding to the topic title coming from reliable sources.  So, not G10, but definately WP:OR, POV, and COATRACK, and needs deletion.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:56, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't intend to tolerate G10-type POV-pushing here. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 18:26, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.