Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:EveryTime I Cry

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  keep. RL0919 (talk) 23:49, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:EveryTime I Cry

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No need for this draft article and its talk page because the topic is now in mainspace at EveryTime I Cry. Binksternet (talk) 20:02, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep the redirect. Was properly redirected.  WP:SRE.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:06, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Try as I might, I cannot for the life of me figure out why anyone would want to keep a lousy draft as a redirect. SRE makes no sense at all. Binksternet (talk) 05:48, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * DraftSpace was created to be a place for junk. Finding junk there and bringing it to a community discussion at MfD is a net negative.  Junk behind a redirect in draftspace is completely harmless.  Sometimes, there can be important attribution information in it.  If you want to delete these redirects, you have to be sure there is no forgotten attribution that you are about to lose forever, and the cost of doing that is not zero.  These redirects do not even need to be G13-ed, because G13 was only required because live drafts sometimes contain offensive things, BLP violations, copyright violations, etc.  When it comes to a draft for an article, there is no reason to suspect these thing, and it is only in the history anyway.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:16, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. The page was created by User:Zhmailik and has been edited only by their sockpuppet IPs. Nothing in the history is important enough to maintain such page in existence. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 15:42, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You refer to this open SPI case? The allegation that the IP is the blocked user should be kept at SPI, and if concluded to be the case, should only come to MfD if an SPI clerk thinks so.  MfD is not for shadow SPI clerking. SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:43, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:G5, which overrides the criteria for WP:SRE. See the July 3, 2021, section on Sockpuppet investigations/Zhmailik. I am not sure why the mainspace article contains the miscellany deletion tag as of this version, considering that it does not link to this discussion. — Angryjoe1111 (talk) 17:22, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep the speedy redirect. The G5 nomination was declined by User:Liz.  Robert McClenon (talk) 04:11, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep and redirect again per those above. G5 has been declined; this should not be the venue to litigate sockpuppetry matters. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 14:05, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep The redirect.Jackattack1597 (talk) 23:06, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * question (somewhat off topic) Is there a better template for situations like this? draft points out that there exist a article but it stills says the draft is "a work in progress" while I presume it would be better to direct anyone reading at the dfraft there to improve *the article*, not the draft. Oh... keep, and replace the current template by the one I ask for above :-) - Nabla (talk) 22:06, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * There is no need for any template. Just make it a redirect.
 * Some people like recently invented redirect page templates. Let them worry about them but don’t worry yourself. SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:31, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. It is R from draft, off course :) Thanks. - Nabla (talk) 22:03, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes. I consider these redirects to be slightly useful and nearly harmless.  The uses relate to metadata and maintenance. The harm is perceived complexity for ordinary editors.  To alleviate the last, there should be a clear message to editors doing redirecting: if you don’t understand these redirect templates, ignore them. Read more if you wish at WikiProject Redirect. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:01, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep parallel effort at draft, developed the days before and during the release. Original article also went through draft process. AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:34, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.