Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Gehōbako

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  keep. Salvio giuliano 19:29, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Gehōbako

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Many problems: bad gloss of the Japanese term ("law" incorrect here); misrepresentation of what the given reference states (nowhere does the ref say that these boxes are kept at Shinto shrines); bad description disagreeing with Japanese references, even the one included in this article (Tīrthika is irrelevant); links through to non-existent JA WP article (nothing at ja:外法箱); most of the page is basically a dictionary entry, which does not belong on Wikipedia (WP:NOTDICTIONARY); not notable (WP:NOTABILITY), any salvageable content presumably belongs in a sub-section of Itako. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 19:27, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) Keep per NDRAFT. Creator was working on this as of 2 days ago. While I sympathize that you feel there is no way this will ever be salvageable as an article, and (peeking at the history) there may be a WP:COMPETENCE issue here as well, we deliberately keep Draft space shielded from deletion just because a page there is not up to snuff (yet), to give a chance for improvements to occur. Such pages are not indexed, so not misleaded, and can be deleted if untouched for a long time, or if the creator requests (which in this case they briefly did but after 2 mins rescinded the request), or if they violate important policies like copyright or no attacks. There is much unsalvegeable crud in draft space, and we deliberately let it moulder away rather than deleting it, in the hopes that some of it gets improved into articles instead. Martinp (talk) 20:19, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the explanation. I have been an admin at Wiktionary for some time, but the processes here at Wikipedia are quite different, and I am still very much learning the ropes.  This user has a habit of moving things to mainspace unilaterally, as a browse of their contribution history will show, and I went with MFD due to the many issues with both the content and the user's copious and problematic editing.
 * Considering your reply here, it sounds like I should keep an eye on my Watchlist and use AFD if they move this page into mainspace and it isn't up to article standard. Does that sound in accordance with WP policy?  ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 21:48, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Essentially yes. The good news is that Draft: space as a holding pen on en:wiki protects both creators from premature deletion (when they need a "safe space" to incubate an article to standard) as well as article space from should-never-see-the-light-of-day articles. See Drafts. While sufficiently tenured editors can technically unilaterally move their creation to mainspace, since there are many poor-quality drafts, such attempts from not very experienced editors tend to get a lot of eyeballs and don't survive if the article isn't ready. Inexperienced editors are strongly encouraged to get drafts reviewed by the (admittedly overloaded and length) AfC review process to help them bring it up to snuff, and that also provides a filter for drafts which on reflection will never become suitable articles. Bottom line: a poor quality draft is harmless and will tend to "drop off". Martinp (talk) 00:40, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Cheers, many thanks! ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 00:47, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as explained above. If the editor moves it to article space when it is not ready for article (and it may or may not ever be ready for article space), it should be nominated for deletion.  As mentioned, drafts are not deleted for non-notability.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:50, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: Per WP:NDRAFT. SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:05, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Feel free to redirect to Itako. SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:06, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep drafts are not required to be notable. Partofthemachine (talk) 16:31, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.