Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:HUB&SLOTS (game)

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  Delete, the draft content is full of COI, and as a side note: no one has offered to userfy and improve the draft. (non-admin closure) MorbidEntree - (Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥) (please reply using &#x7B;&#x7B;ping&#x7D;&#x7D;) 13:11, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Draft:HUB&SLOTS (game)


Draft from late last year for a non-notable game. Ricky81682 (talk) 10:21, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notability doesn't apply to draftspace.  It seems real, and should probably be merged somewhere.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:23, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Being real isn't the issue. WP:WEBHOST is. There are no reliable secondary sources about this game listed here and their website does not inspire confident that this draft, by a clear COI, has anything worth merging. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:05, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I forgot about the clear WP:NOTHOWTO violating material, which forms part of NOTWEBHOST. I removed it.
 * To be merged doesn't require secondary sources. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:17, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * So it'll be merged (you haven't even said where) and removed for being unsourced per WP:BURDEN? So why are we playing the [{WP:BURO]] game of doing all this? To protect a COI's one-off attempt at getting their non-notable game advertised here? Do you hope that they return? Do you even think this is the kind of editor we want to return? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:06, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia covers lots of board games. See List of board games. I don't see what is so bad about this one, having removed the howto parts. "Non-notable" is not decided, and MfD is not for deciding notability questions. Sorry, wrong forum. I did not support DraftSpace's creation, and maintain it is more trouble tha it is worth. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:39, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

*Move to Hub and Slots (game) - Notability looks to be there and this is something I feel could be improved at TAFi... I've removed the bold from the headings and have added reflist anyway, (Also pinging to see what they think), – Davey 2010 Talk 13:40, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Well NA1K's not replied and I'm hopeless at article creations so unless someone wants it userfied and wants to turn it into an actual article then the next best option is to delete, Sure it could be kept but it's only going to sit at Draft for the next year or so until someone notices it's been abandoned where it'll more than likely be CSD'd, No point leaving it around to catch more dust!. – Davey 2010 Talk 01:12, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * There is no CSD that would apply to drafts right now. All that would occur is another MFD discussion and we've have the same arguments about a draft that was two years old rather than one year old. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:06, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah right sorry, Perhaps I'm thinking of AFCs, I know there's a csd for one of those anyway, Cheers, – Davey 2010 Talk 11:22, 29 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as per nom and User:Davey2010. Blatant COI, just advertising. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 14:57, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Advertising? Advertising what?  The COI issue is not clear, why is it a big issue?  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:46, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah sorry to pile on but I'm also confused with your !vote - There is no advertising as far as I can see? ... Sure really about the COI issue either... – Davey 2010 Talk 11:24, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The article is created by the publisher of the game (InnoGage). Naturally the only reason for creating this article is to give it exposure (i.e. advertising). -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 14:50, 29 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep per Smokey. Improve instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malarky snarky (talk • contribs) 23:21, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * — Malarky snarky (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * - Drafts can't remain in draftspace for eternity and unless you want it userfied then it's gonna be deleted. – Davey 2010 Talk 23:32, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * To be fair, Smokey is arguing for the same thing. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:37, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Davey2010, on the notion that things can't remain in draftspace for eternity, see the discussions at Wikipedia_talk:Drafts, and Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Draft:Basic_theorems_of_algebraic_K-theory, where the respected User:Diego Moya in particular is arguing a position far more permissive on the use of DraftSpace. I think the community's view on this is unformed, and that discussion at WT:Drafts is needed.
 * This page on the game does not look, in my opinion, likely to be accepted in mainspace as a standalone article, but I do think coverage of the game is appropriate within another article, perhaps even an as-yet not created article. I disagree that it is promotion, and so see no reason for the matter to be rushed, and I am unaware of any policy mandating a time limit.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:49, 31 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete, clearly spam. Article created by an account with (surprise!) the same name as the publisher, with no other substantial edits.  Draft space is not a dumping ground for advertising. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  18:15, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Whatevidence is therethat its advertising? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malarky snarky (talk • contribs) 19:01, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Comments struck as account is subject to a CheckUser block. —  Scott  •  talk  19:55, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
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