Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Heroes and Villains of Deaf During Nazi Germany

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: Keep and merge This has been open for quite long, almost ten weeks now, last comment almost 4 weeks and it seems nobody is there to close. Draft:Heroes and Villains of Deaf During Nazi Germany will be merged to Draft:Deaf Resistance in Nazi Germany, one page has been redirected already almost a month ago.–Ammarpad (talk) 17:24, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Heroes and Villains of Deaf During Nazi Germany

 * Hhkohh (talk) 09:47, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Killiondude (talk) 22:27, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 23:01, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 23:01, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

This has been a pile of articles about deaf people and groups in Nazi Germany that was submitted recently by different users. I suspect they are from the same group but using different usernames.


 * Draft:Heroes and Villains of Deaf During Nazi Germany
 * Draft:Deaf in Hitler Youth
 * Draft:Deaf Resistance in Nazi Germany
 * Draft:Reich Union of the Deaf of Germany (REGEDE): Good, Bad, the Ugly

They all reference a book called Crying hands : eugenics and deaf people in Nazi Germany. The articles being drafted and submitted contain sizable biographies of so-called heroes and villains. Articles that already exist on Wikipedia include Sterilization of deaf people in Nazi Germany (serves as redirect for Deaf People in Hitler's Europe) and Deaf Organizations during the Holocaust.

Any recommendations as to how to proceed? Which articles should be created? The Crying Hands book? The individuals mentioned in the book? Regede is already covered by Deaf Organizations during the Holocaust. The problem with most of these is that they single source the book and the writing is very much like it was copy-pasted from said book. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 06:28, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * That's a tough one . When I've come across these articles, I've tried to point the editor in the direction of existing articles they can work on. Trying to AGF, assuming it is a young deaf person who wants to contribute. If they are still an IP, there isn't really an effective way to reach out suggesting they join WP:DEAF. I guess we could leave that as a comment on the drafts in question here. Bkissin (talk) 18:40, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 23:01, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

As an update to this, the editors have decided to add the piles of information to Deaf Organizations during the Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deaf_Organizations_during_the_Holocaust&type=revision&diff=868876348&oldid=865595247 AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:03, 15 November 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 22:27, 19 November 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Last relist
 * Keep valid material for drafting content into other pages even if this is not going to be an article in its current form. Legacypac (talk) 22:37, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hhkohh (talk) 09:47, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep all of these. This is Miscellany for Deletion, not Drafts for Discussion.  The only issues at MFD are whether to delete the drafts or to take an alternative to deletion, such as redirection or blanking.  This is not the place to discuss which drafts should be improved.  Just close this as Keep All.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:09, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * That's okay with leaving it in draft, but if it were all accepted, there would be a number of content forks created as is, so I just need to assure that we have some structure of what drafts of these will likely be its own topic and which ones are going to be rejected as is to be merged into other existing topics, like the list of organizations. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:47, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Whether any particular draft should be accepted as an article is a question for an AFC reviewer if it goes through AFC. Otherwise it is a question for NPP, and content forks are a topic that is addressed at AFD.  MFD isn't the forum to decide on a plan for developing drafts into articles.  Draft talk pages are always a place for questions about development of drafts.  This forum is Miscellany for Deletion, not Miscellany for Discussion or Drafts for Discussion, and which of the drafts should be developed is beyond our compass.  Robert McClenon (talk) 08:56, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Question - Is anyone proposing that any of them be deleted? Is anyone proposing that any of them specifically be tagged for trimming?  Robert McClenon (talk) 08:56, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * My recommendations: I would like to Merge Draft:Heroes and Villains of Deaf During Nazi Germany to Draft:Deaf Resistance in Nazi Germany as they have the same bios of people, and the former title is non-neutral sounds more like a chapter from that Crying Hands book.  Keep Draft:Deaf in Hitler Youth as a potential topic.  Delete Draft:Reich Union of the Deaf of Germany (REGEDE): Good, Bad, the Ugly as a likely chapter title, and create redirects ReGeDe and REGEDE  to point to  Deaf Organizations during the Holocaust  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:47, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Support User:AngusWOOF’s proposal as the only idea that may lead to development. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:41, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep and merge, per AngusWOOF.  DGG ( talk ) 02:01, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.


 * Sorry, history-merge, as Draft:Heroes and Villains of Deaf During Nazi Germany and Draft:Deaf Resistance in Nazi Germany are WP:Parallel histories. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:52, 9 January 2019 (UTC)