Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Homero singer, songwriter, actor Biography

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  keep. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 08:48, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Homero singer, songwriter, actor Biography

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Unsourced BLP that has been rejected as an AFC. Doesn't appear to be about a notable individual. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 03:09, 9 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomination.  — twotwofourtysix (My talk page and contributions) 04:20, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - Needed declining, and has been declined. Not being tendentiously resubmitted.  But should be tagged as an autobiography.  Robert McClenon (talk) 05:39, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep notability explicitly does not apply to draftspace. Needed to be declined, was declined and will now be taken care of by WP:G13. As RMC points out above MFD is for drafts that are tendentiously resubmitted, or maybe on occasion for things that should be speediable but aren't since the CSD are construed narrowly. I don't want to be overly critical but WP:RAGPICKING is a waste of time, draftspace is full of junk that is best ignored. It's no-indexed and impossible to find unless you know exactly what you are looking for, and once crud has been ignored for 6 months it's swept away by g13. Regards, 31.41.45.190 (talk) 16:33, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , the way I found it was that it kept popping up on Huggle and I noticed that the draft is a completely unsourced BLP. It would be better, in my opinion, to delete these sorts of drafts, rather than to continue to host unsourced content about a biography of a living person whose article has been rejected. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 18:00, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
 * There are hundreds if not thousands of such drafts. If we systemically went through all of them MFD would be clogged with nothing else, and for what? Especially when you consider that mainspace has more than 2000 unsourced BLPs with a backlog going back 4 years! If you want to use your time efficiently clean out that backlog. Like I said draftspace is noindexed, it's nearly impossible to find anything there. If you see a blpvio treat it as you would in mainspace and revert. If a draft is being vandalised you can request protection at WP:RFP. If the draft is itself vandalism then speedy as a g3, or maybe a g10 (and yes I've g10'd drafts before) but if you're worried about unsourced blps then focus on the ones in mainspace. BTW 2000 is just the tip of the iceberg, there are hundreds that have yet to be tagged, and thousands if not tens of thousands more that are sourced only to imdb or some handful of other poor quality sources. Regards, 31.41.45.190 (talk) 18:12, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
 * As discussed at Wikipedia talk:Proposed deletion of biographies of living people and Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion/Archive 80, WP:BLP applies in all namespaces, and unsourced BLPs are not OK, but arguments for enacting BLPPROD in draftspace requires a good number of draftspace BLPPROD nominations at MfD. So bring them, welcome them. Deleting unsourced BLPs is not ragpicking, unsourced BLPs are not ok.  Give the author seven days to add a reliable source, or see it deleted routinely and efficiently. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:21, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * As I said, there are more than 2000 unsourced BLPs in mainspace some of which have been tagged as such for years as opposed to six months with a few now approaching decadal timescales (exempli gratia), and those actually are indexed and can be found. If you want to flood somewhere with deletion noms please flood AFD where this actually matters. If someone writes a promotional autbio that will never be seen in draftspace then just ignore it. What's next, are you going to patrol all of userspace for every single promotional autobio that someone has put up on their userpage or in a sandbox. There have to be 10s if not 100s of thousands of those. Even assuming there all u5-able you may well overwhelm CAT:CSD, and for what? No one will ever find these pages it's makework, if you see one and really think it's a problem just blank it, bring things here only if they are problematic even if blanked. Draftspace is already a six-month prod anyway. I'm sorry  you make a lot of well reasoned assessments, but this doesn't make any sense to me. 31.41.45.190 (talk) 11:53, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The articles in Category:All unreferenced BLPs do not appear to be completely unreferenced. Every article has an external link, the subject’s website, or google scholar link, or books published, etc. These are not good or proper sources, but they are sources, and I guess that this is why the 2000 pages are not deleted under BLPPROD. This draft is completely unsourced, the information is unverifiable, and the subject appears to be a PRIVATEBLP. We don’t need to argue through all of these details when “unsourced BLP” is a sufficient reason to delete.  Reviewers are reviewing new draftpages, and it is appropriate for these reviewers to put the one week autodeadline BLPPROD under them.  —SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:29, 10 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete as an unsourced WP:BLP . —SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:11, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sources were added within 7 days.  These are not easy we linked sources, but they appear sufficient to be called sources. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:34, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Based on what he said at AfC/HD, the sources are all stuff he had a hand in directly creating. He wrote the Cashbox source, the second is an interview and the third is his YouTube channel. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 22:01, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * There is way too much unsourced material, so this needs to be removed until it can be sourced. I did find someone who goes by Homero in Allmusic and on Amazon, so I would WP:TNT this article and use the basic discography with these sources. https://www.allmusic.com/artist/homero-mn0002314720/credits https://www.amazon.com/Baila-Hacia-Milenio-Nuevo-Millennium/dp/B00000JK8Y AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:17, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * There is also this YouTube channel for Homero Vela, but I don't think that's the same person. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2CU7MxeNMGr427VBVGXCkw/about Both of these are fairly WP:MILL singers though, which means they could get a non-promotional draft made/retained but highly unlikely beyond that unless there are a bunch of WP:GNG sources to back it up.  AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:21, 12 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep being an unsourced WP:BLP this is not an actual reason for deletion. Per WP:BLPDEL our first avenue is to try and improve the article, Draft space is the best place to do this. As long as there is nothing contentious or likely to be challenged there is no reason to run to deletion. Let this run the AFC gambit, get rejected and it will be G13. I would hate to see this become a precedent in MfD. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 03:03, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * BLP applies to all Wikipedia pages, drafts included. It being in draft space and containing significant amounts of biographical claims lacking sources is a serious issue, and we cannot use NOINDEX as a cloak under which to hide such unacceptable content. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 07:14, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I didn’t say BLP didn’t apply I said an unsourced BLP on it’s own is not a reason for deletion. In fact BLP encourages to improve on these articles. The only mention of deletion/removal in the policy is for unreferenced contentious or likely to be challenged information. This is not an attack page nor do I see any material in it that is contentious or likely to be challenged, it is in the draft space which is reserved for improvement. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 14:59, 11 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete for complete and utter lack of inline citations and a promotional tone throughout. While either one of these would be grounds for a decline, Google search is throwing cold water on there being any chance in the short-term future of this being an article (strings: homero singer, homero actor), and under such circumstances in re sourcing article drafts are often rejected. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 07:14, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak delete as resume and possible copy-paste from some website / article. Needs a complete rewrite. I can't figure out which Homero this is referring to from searches on the internet so I don't even know if this is a real person or someone in the WP:MILL. If person is somewhat notable after this MFD then rename draft to Homero (singer).   AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:47, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
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