Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:John Baldwin Gourley

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was redirect to John Gourley. JohnCD (talk) 14:22, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Draft:John Baldwin Gourley


This will possibly be deleted in two months but it keeps getting postponed but either way, there is already John Gourley created separately after the last edits here but before the G13 postponement in November. There's nothing here directly sources in terms of the language other than the giant table that is actually a table of the band's work and not his personal work to me. Ricky81682 (talk) 23:51, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect and protect. Advise the author to discuss at talk:John Gourley about potential work on John Gourley.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:03, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Technically the author created this draft first, the mainspace version was later created and then someone else here postponed the G13 deletion without probably checking on mainspace. I'm not sure protection is necessary and there's no related or connected history that requires a redirect. We'll disagree on the redirect obviously but protection I think we can agree is overkill. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 01:09, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * My reading of your nomination statement (which I find a bit hard to parse), is that someone is persisting in doing something with this draft, and looking at it, there could possibly be something of worth in it. I presume that you want to delete to hammer the person persisting; protection can do that for you.  As it is not definite that the contents are entirely worthless, WP:PRESERVE applies, and redirection is appropriate.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:17, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The draft existed in May 2015. The mainspace one was created in June 2015 by someone else and yet this version was postponed in November 2015 by someone else entirely. In retrospect, I could have just put a comment on the draft page about the mainspace version but it then would have taken another six month for G13 to process and I didn't want someone to postpone it again in the future even though a mainspace version exists. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 01:24, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * OK. I still think that inferior redundant versions should be redirected on discovery.  There are some tiny possibilities of benefit in having the redirect with the history retained, and no advantages in creating the MfD discussion.  Coming to MfD creates more work, more data, more visibility.  Six months is not a long time.  Redirect.  There is an RfC somewhere, and I predict that sometime this year we will agree that all draft pages, including redirects, will be deleted by default unless marked for preservation.  Personally, I would shut down and delete all of DraftSpace, but until then individual discussions on random little things only exacerbate the time sink problem of AfC and DraftSpace.   --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:52, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect Probably works better as some merge/redirect. Why didn't you reach out to  to find out why they decided to use the Postpone G13 template instead of doing research and redirecting?  Your responses about the way it's being edited are protected by the standard operating procedure.  That someone is coming in and disqualifying the page for G13 just before it becomes eligible is unfortunate, but protected decisions.  However if you had left this alone for those two months we probably would have gotten it deleted via G13 (even though  was active in December of this past year). Hasteur (talk) 18:58, 20 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment: It is a simple lack of awareness and due diligence on my behalf that I did not notice John Gourley. My apologies. Sam Sailor Talk! 19:05, 20 May 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.