Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Joy Bridenbaker

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  no consensus. (non-admin closure) —  Godsy (TALK CONT ) 11:22, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Joy Bridenbaker

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 * Aasim 03:52, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Restored version of previously-deleted promotional article by an s.p.a. who claims to be in personal contact with the subject. When you strip the fluff off, there's nothing there: neither assertion nor evidence of notability, just another working actor. The photo, by the way, is about to be deleted as a copyright violation (taken from the subject's own website, yet claimed as "own work" by the aforementioned s.p.a. editor). Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  14:14, 9 August 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete, I guess. If the creator wasn't disrupting Wikipedia, I might have just tagged the draft with undisclosed paid and notability, then self-submitted and declined once. If the creator is disrupting Wikipedia, perhaps you and/or could block them indefinitely. In practice, I've templated the creator with this. I'm not an admin and can't see any promotional version of the page., you're a good person and I believe you that the page was promotional, but it would have been nice to be able to see the full page history with my own eyes. :) Kind regards, —Unforgettableid (talk) 22:48, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Reply. Let's see:
 * classically-trained
 * has achieved a performance portfolio that comprises beauty pageants, live theater, film, television, radio, recording studio, modeling and concert venues, encompassing the U.S., Canada, France and England
 * studied [blah, blah, blah] vigorously throughout the entirety of her adolescence before furthering her performing arts studies and continuing education
 * has performed a multitude of live solo singing and dancing performance engagements and performed leading roles in several large scale stage musicals
 * A beauty pageant winner an accomplished runway, print, fit and spokes model. She has amassed a large portfolio as a photographic model
 * She has often produced studio recordings of her singing original and cover songs
 * Television appearance of note include Netflix's "Daredevil" and as Young Tilda Sauer in Amazon Prime Video's "Hunters" with Al Pacino. (neither of which is "of note" by any professional standard I can imagine). -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  23:33, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. I have not restored any promotional or copyrightable material, so that it can be written as a neutral article. No need to delete at this point. Notability is not so much an issue for drafts. This is in response to a request at WP:REFUND for user:Manhattan, NYC. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:50, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Neutral. I may have missed something or somethings, or something may have missed me. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:08, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. The nominator's assessment appears to be correct. In addition, I cannot find reliably sourced evidence of notability, never mind supporting the extraordinary claims of the subject's self-written bio.  With such strong evidence of promotion, even a draft page needs to show at least some potential for improvement.  I'm not seeing that. • Gene93k (talk) 12:48, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Aasim 03:52, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Leave for G13. The problems are not sufficient to require deletion from DraftSpace.  The discussion costs more than the harm or benefit of the page. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:22, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.