Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Kaylene

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  keep. Salvio 06:43, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Kaylene

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Promotional unsourced pre-stub BLP for a non-notable person, see this log. — Jeff G. ツ 13:55, 5 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Neutral previous one was years ago. Maybe an admin can check on whether she's the same person? AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 14:31, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Jeff, what makes you think it is connected to the old log entries? User talk:Johnsongam seems very sudden and harsh, is there more to this?  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:55, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep No valid reason for deletion. The log is not relevant, as the prior versions had no connection and were not apparently about the same person. The prior versions were 1) an A7 bio, apparently of a user, which did not mention music; 2) An attack page; and 3) an improper redirect, also with no mention of music. An (alleged) lack of notability is not a reason to delete a draft. It is a reason to decline it, or perhaps even reject it, if submitted under AfC. There is also nothing even slightly promotional about the current version. It does not (yet) establish notability, it simply says that this person exists;. That is not promotion. The creator, and perhaps other editors (if they so choose), are entitled to attempt to establish notability by finding and adding source citations and facts supported by those citations. If the result never adds up to a notable topic, there is no  harm. This has not been submitted for review, so no one but the creator has been asked to spend time on it -- except by the nominator who started this discussion. This was nominated within a day of being created. Some people take weeks or months to create a valid draft that can be approved. Indeed that is one of the reasons for drafts to exist. This seems to be a violation of WP:BITE to me. And I ask,  what research you have done to so conclusively determine that this person is not notable? Not that it really matters, because notability is not relevant at the MfD for a draft. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 13:54, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * There was this attempted "own work" upload with a "Singer-Songwriter" category and no apparent permission from the photographer and this complaint about not being allowed to complete the upload. This fits a time-honored pattern of crosswiki self and COI/UPE promotion of non-notable musicians and their groups and music via Wikipedia articles and copyvio images to illustrate them. I didn't know if the old versions of Kaylene were related, but who chooses a unique name that's already taken? I'm sorry if I overstepped with the MfD and the severity of the warning.  — Jeff G. ツ 14:38, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * But the name "Kaylene" isn't taken on Wikipedia, . New users are not likely to check the deletion logs, or understand their significance if they notice them. Many entertainers now use single names as stage names, and having multiple people choose the same name is inevitable. It may be that when fleshed out, this draft will prove to be promotional. There is no way to know that at this stage. Many people think in good faith that any performer should have an article\, not understanding our notability policies. This may be such a case, again we can't know yet. I am not clear on what basis this image was rejected by filter on commons, but that is a decision for the commons community to make. If the image was copyrighted and used without a valid license, of course commons should not host it. But again many people do not understand our copyright policies without intending anything improper. Uploading an improperly licenses image, or trying to, is not a reason to delete a draft. For all i know, this singer may be notable. (I wouldn't bet on it, but it is possible.) see also WP:DEMOLISH. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 14:53, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Re the attempted uploads, I replied in this edit.  — Jeff G. ツ 23:52, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Some firm response appears justified. Deletion is a clumsy too, I recommend that you always leave a clear message on their talk page about what they were doing wrong.  It's very confusing when much of the evidence is already deleted.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:07, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I just left a clear message.  — Jeff G. ツ 00:54, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - This needs Rejecting if submitted. It doesn't need deleting.  The previous deletions were apparently of stupid stuff.  This is also stupid stuff, but that doesn't matter.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:25, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:NMFD. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 12:01, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
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