Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Kevin M. Roach

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: redirect to Missouri State Auditor election, 2018. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 14:47, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Kevin M. Roach


This is essentially advertising for a political candidate--I see no reason it should sit here, but a G11 was declined. WP:NOT applies to this sort of material.  DGG ( talk ) 23:31, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as advertising. Legacypac (talk) 23:43, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:NMFD. Draftspace is the appropriate place to prepare an article on something that may become notable in a reasonable amount of time. WP:CRYSTAL does not apply to the draftspace in the manner it does to the mainspace. Only submitted twice, and improvement was made between the submissions that occurred about 2 months apart. Promotional material can be edited out; it is not exclusively promotional. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 00:02, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirection, as suggested by SmokeyJoe below, would be my second choice. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 19:26, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


 * A candidate for the Republican Primary held on August 7, 2018, to run for the position of State Auditor of Missouri in the November 6, 2018. I don't see why this can't be covered in mainspace, not as a standalone page.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:10, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * notability is not the question. promotionalism is the question. If he does not win the primary, there will never be a mention in main space for a un-nominated primary candidate for an office this minor. And even if there were a place to give his name, that's no reason to keep the draft.  DGG ( talk ) 05:08, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't read it as advertising, but merely as overdone for an elected executive position primary candidate. It is a bit of a content fork, I think it qualifies for WP:Speedy redirect to Missouri State Auditor election, 2018.  This is part of a series of articles: * Missouri state auditor election, 2010;  * Missouri State Auditor election, 2014; * Missouri State Auditor election, 2018. The topic is already covered at the last.  Redirect, don't merge, the content in the draft is WP:UNDUE in its coverage, but there is no need to hide the history, whether he wins elections or not.  The invormation is all reliably verifiable and editors may debate on the target talk page whether to include anything from the history.  It may well come up in news coverage over the next two week, and Wikipedia does well to keep up to date with public elections.  I disagree that this page is covered by WP:NOT, only WP:UNDUE.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:33, 24 July 2018 (UTC)


 * WP:Speedy redirect to Missouri State Auditor election, 2018. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:35, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as advertising of a non-notable BLP. I wouldn't redirect this, or we'd have thousands, even tens of thousands, of additional candidate redirects that we don't need, going to pages that may be confusing targets especially if they list numerous candidates. It's better that these not exist. If someone is sure one of them is notable, they can be redlinked, which will encourage (hopefully proper) article creation.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:17, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I have argued against the notion that such redirects create "candidate redirects" before, see my comments in Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Tammy Van-Zant. Essentially, redirecting drafts like these indicates to potential draftees that they should likely refrain, but that there may be an appropriate place for some sort of content on the subject. Anyone creating such pages as redirects outright (i.e. not from former content) would be quickly told to stop (redirects of that nature are commonly speedily deleted and deleted at RfD). — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 04:45, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.