Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:List of Jewish Communists

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The result of the discussion was:  Delete. Deleted by Liz per WP:G13 Sro23 (talk) 05:40, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Draft:List of Jewish Communists

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Unsourced draft list - the very first name I looked at, Georgy Arbatov, is clearly a Communist but nothing says they are a Jew. Started in July last year but no edits since then. Doug Weller talk 17:30, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - Many problems. For one, this list cannot exist without many unsupported assumptions about what "Jewish communism" means. If sources explain why this combination is encyclopedically significant, we could cautiously use those sources to build a list. As it is, the list conflates Jewish religion with Jewish ethnicity into a big ball of WP:OR. This is a fatal flaw which cannot be fixed without multiple solid sources which are explicitly about "Jewish communists". Many of the people here merely have some Jewish ancestors or some other ambiguous connection to Jewish identity. Some of them, such as Howard Zinn, were not communist, either. This therefor appears to be a backdoor attempt to legitimize the WP:FRINGE Jewish Bolshevism conspiracy theory. Grayfell (talk) 23:12, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Concerns cited by Doug have been fixed; everything is correct. I believe this deletion request is politically motivated, especially concerning Jewish Bolshevism and any topics relating to that automatially being labelled "anti-Semitic", but there are numerous other lists of this same caliber, that is to say, lists of people who belonged to certain ideologies categorized by ethnicity, culture, and nationality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FinishedCycle (talk • contribs) 21:28, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Moved from talk page. Grayfell (talk) 23:17, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete as not a draft. There is the Jewish Communism DAB page, but no parent topic appears suitable.  It looks like an attempt at a category intersection.  WP:Petscan does this:


 * https://petscan.wmflabs.org/ depth 1 Communism Jews gives
 * 11 results
 * Title	Page ID	Namespace	Size (bytes)	Last change
 * 1	Leon Trotsky	17888	(Article)	176064	20210117012413
 * 2	Howard Zinn	88493	(Article)	94197	20210117225645
 * 3	Isaac Deutscher	156326	(Article)	19823	20201228041622
 * 4	Irving Howe	307734	(Article)	24680	20210111055225
 * 5	Bertram Wolfe	1119662	(Article)	16431	20201218035808
 * 6	Theodore Draper	4016767	(Article)	23666	20201011051057
 * 7	Boris Souvarine	7871460	(Article)	16319	20210113193048
 * 8	Harold Isaacs	21451391	(Article)	7758	20201226035150
 * 9	Jean-Jacques Becker	38051629	(Article)	5665	20201228110739
 * 10	Ernest Mandel	42034744	(Article)	23794	20210114191010
 * 11	Simon Pirani	59046182	(Article)	4120	20201025192207


 * This is a much short list than on the draft. There may be something to work on here, but draftspace is not good for that, unwatched, non-collaborative, and unsourced.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:01, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.