Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:List of hate groups in Australia and New Zealand

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: keep. Ə XPLICIT 02:11, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Draft:List of hate groups in Australia and New Zealand

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Much of the content is unfounded attacks on minority groups, framing them as criminal with no citations, some of these claims, such as the "African crime gangs" have been dismissed as sensationalism by police. There's articles that cover the content in this article already Crime in Victoria and Far-right politics in Australia. Article makes little sense, cites few sources, restates content found elsewhere and makes statements that unfairly malign certain ethnic groups. Bacondrum 20:34, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: It strikes me as a misinterpretation of the article to claim that something that lists five ethnic minority gangs total, compared to sixteen white supremacist gangs alone, is primarily an attack on minority groups. (The draft is pretty poor-quality and I'd delete it as an article, but I'm usually hesitant to !vote delete at MfD for things that will die a G13 death anyway.) Vaticidalprophet (talk) 07:25, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - The nomination appears to be a policing of draft space and seems to be ragpicking. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:59, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep If I was an AFC reviewer, I would review for accuracy, remove organizations with no article, and would probably promote to article. This list is may be the quality required for mainspace. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 09:24, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: This draft is really poorly sourced, and I would assume that a list of hate groups would need to be pretty well-sourced (at least to a higher standard than other list articles/drafts). While some of the named groups which have articles have sources for being a hate group in their own article, and therefore could easily be added to the draft-list (eg: Antipodean Resistance); others seem to have no sourcing available for being a "hate group". Half of the groups listed are ones for which I can't see anything on those articles which suggest they've been termed hate groups by any RS's. I haven't done any WP:BEFORE checks to see if this list topic is notable itself; but would assume (based on this discussion) that it would need to be more along the lines of "List of hate groups in Aus and NZ according to X". Because I'm not totally sure about how deletion discussions for drafts go, I won't be !voting; but if this were an article in mainspace, I would !vote delete.  Seagull123  Φ  19:41, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep because I think it is a subject that must be covered and not shied away from. The characteristics that justify inclusion in the list need to be stated up the top and there can be no exemption from citations justifying inclusion. Eddaido (talk) 08:43, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.