Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Mathematics and dance

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  keep. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:10, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Mathematics and dance

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Unlikely to be notable. I have redirected it to mainspace but that was reverted. So I am nominating it for deletion. Taku (talk) 10:22, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Support. "At first glance it may seem that mathematics and dance have little in common". At second glance you confirm this. Super   Ψ   Dro  10:28, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep. "Unlikely to be notable" is not a valid reason for deletion from draftspace. MFD'ing a draft is a waste of resources in that it resets the G13 clock and clutters up an administrative process. 🌈WaltCip - (talk)  11:40, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The draft was undeleted since the notability was unclear. It is quite reasonable to discuss its notability in the form of an MfD (and there is no rule prohibiting deleting the draft by means other than G13). Also, the non-notability as opposed to the unclear notability is a valid reason for deletion since that means there is no need to keep developing the draft (lightening the work in the draftspace). -- Taku (talk) 11:51, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Per WP:NMFD: Drafts may be nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion (MfD), but not solely because the draft fails to show that the notability guidelines are satisfied. (bolded mine) You have not provided a justification beyond that you believe the draft is unlikely to be notable. 🌈WaltCip - (talk)  12:09, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It’s not failure to show the notability but it is a reasonable assessment that it is likely not notable. The sources in the draft are not adequate and I also cannot find additional ones that can establish notability. —- Taku (talk) 04:23, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * That you were unable to find sources bears no relevance on the fact that, this being a draft, there is no requirement to establish notability. Once again, G13 is a perfectly sufficient mechanism for deleting drafts that will not make it to mainspace. 🌈WaltCip - (talk)  13:52, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, drafts are not checked for notability or sanity. — PerfectSoundWhatever  (t; c) 03:25, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: Looks like an essay that may be deleted sooner or later by G13. But yeah, notability criteria do not apply to draftspace. If the editor can improve it for mainspace by demonstrating notability in the 6 month period, that's good for the encyclopaedia. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 06:13, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - The nominator may not understand what the rules are about draft space. In October 2020, a stub was not ready for article space and was sent to draft space.  In August 2022, this draft, somewhat more developed, is not ready for article space and should be kept in draft space.  Drafts are not deleted for lack of notability or for improbable notability.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:08, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - It is obvious to me how there is a connection between mathematics and dance, which is rhythm, which is a sometimes simple, sometimes complex mathematical pattern that underlies most dance forms. The problem is that simply explaining that connection is original research, so that the topic is only notable if other reliable sources, such as authors on dance, have written about it.  That is a comment for any future reviewer, because we don't delete drafts due to a decision up-front that the sources do not exist.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:08, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * . A quick search shows a couple of relatively recent articles about dance and mathemathics. I only read the abstracts and took a glance over the text, I don't know if they are any good. But they do *exist*, i.e., the article's subject is a real subject. Group Theory and Modern Dance Composition and Shall We (Math and) Dance? (both from ArXiv - Nabla (talk) 22:22, 30 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep this draft does not meet any deletion criteria. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:35, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep We don't delete draft just because they don not (yet) have good sources. An per my comment above, the subject (obviously) exits. - Nabla (talk) 22:22, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.