Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Michael Ninomiya

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete by  per WP:CSD. ✗ plicit  06:46, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Michael Ninomiya

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WP:BLPCRIME. I moved this to draft space to get it out of the mainspace until this is decided, and because at first glance it already contained blatantly incorrect information ("for the murder" instead of "for the attempted murder" is quite a huge difference). Person is not really well-known before this, and he is accused, not convicted, so per BLPCRIME we probably shouldn't have an article on him. Fram (talk) 09:40, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Put it back in mainspace and send to AfD. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:45, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Why? Fram (talk) 13:09, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:NMFD; drafts are not subject to article deletion criteria like "no context," "no indication of importance," or "not in English" so creators may have time to e.g. establish context or notability, translate, and make other adjustments and improvements. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 22:26, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Because, you did wrong to WP:Draftify it when when you do not think it is plausibly notable.
 * And because AfD is set up for deleting for notability reasons, MfD is not. SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:27, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * That's why my MFD is for WP:BLPCRIME, not for WP:GNG. Fram (talk) 08:07, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The article is far too well sourced and neutrally written to call it a BLP violation. I do not see any BLP based reason to delete this as a draft. The standard for deleting drafts is much harder than for deleting articles. Your BLPCRIME case is essentially a notability case.
 * I WP:DRAFTOBJECT to your draftification. Please put it back into mainspace, and use AfD if you don’t like it. SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:03, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Nice to see people who have their priorities straight. Fram (talk) 09:31, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * You found a page in mainspace you want deleted. Take it to AfD. What you are doing is weird, it is not what we do.  You seem to want to have the article blanked for the AfD?  Write a proposal for doing that. SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:01, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * There have been major entanglements in the past regarding users trying to "backdoor" delete pages (either by moving mainspace pages to draftspace or vice versa), even en masse. So please do not take the seasoned inhibition against such endeavors that some who frequent this venue have developed personally. Warmest regards, — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 12:17, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Revert to mainspace per SmokeyJoe. To me this reeks of gaming the system, especially since deleting drafts on MfD is already such a controversial and annoying process.--WaltCip- (talk)  16:46, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It was long since reverted to mainspace... Fram (talk) 16:50, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, then this can be closed. WaltCip- (talk)  16:59, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.