Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:PC Pitstop

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: delete. Spartaz Humbug! 21:59, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Draft:PC Pitstop


Unambiguous advertising. Deleted, but recreated as an almost exact replica of the deleted version. Ineligible for WP:G4, so bringing to MfD to establish broader consensus. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:43, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Roy! Thanks for the feedback, I had gone back and removed several portions of the previous article including a whole section only talking about awards to make it more neutral. Are there certain portions of the page that are leading to your tag of unambiguous advertising? I've tried to mirror it after other company pages to avoid this. Thanks for any help! Devinbergin (talk) 13:12, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Question - User:Devinbergin - Do you have a connection with PC Pitstop? Please read the conflict of interest policy.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:06, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - Making too much effort to model a draft after existing "company pages" (which are not profiles but encyclopedic drafts) and excessive eagerness to get quick advice are signs of paid editing (and not very good paid editing). Robert McClenon (talk) 21:06, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I do have a connection with PC Pitstop, I've disclosed the COI on my user page, as well as the talk page of the Draft as the policy requires. I've also submitted it through the articles for creation review since I'm not a neutral writer. I'm not trying to hide the COI. My eagerness for feedback is due to the fact that I've never created a Wikipedia page and was looking to understand what I'm doing wrong. But I appreciate you letting me know I'm doing it poorly so far. I had done research on other company pages to mimic their neutral style so I'm creating correctly. Devinbergin (talk) 21:36, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The COI userbox on User:Devinbergin was badly formatted (but surely even in it's badly formatted state, should have been enough to make the COI clear). I've fixed the formatting.  That being said, it's virtually impossible to write an article about your own company (or a company which has hired you to write about them) without making it sound like an advertisement.  This is one of the reasons WP:COI says, COI editing is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia.  The fundamental problem here is that you're trying to use wikipedia to promote your business.  We're trying to write an encyclopedia.  Those goals are mutually incompatible.  We have many pages on Wikipedia that are promotional crap.  The fact that they exist is unfortunate, but that's not a reason to write more of them.  Beyond that, we're all volunteers here.  I think you will find most volunteers unwilling to invest time to teach you how to use Wikipedia to earn money.  -- RoySmith (talk) 22:08, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Apologies for the COI formatting, thank you for adjusting it. I appreciate your honesty and insights Roy. Devinbergin (talk) 22:14, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
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