Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Pam from Brawlstars

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  keep. Turns out not to be a hoax; no consensus to Delete; notwithstanding valid concerns about its inherent notability (vs. Brawl Stars), MfD is not going to be able to opine on such matters. (non-admin closure) Britishfinance (talk) 21:29, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Pam from Brawlstars

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Clearly created as a joke. dmartin969 22:16, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep A google search on Brawlstars Pam find several pages such as https://gamewith.net/brawlstars/article/show/2117 making it cleaer that there really is such a game with such a character. If it is a joke, it is a joke by the game designer. Whether this character is notable is another question, but that is not on the table at this point. No valid reason for deletion. Please double check "obvious" fakes before listing for deletion. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 22:27, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - User:DESiegel is referring to another nomination four days ago of an "obvious fake" show that is a real show. Drafts do not have to pass notability.  They do have to pass some measure of verifiability, because hoax deletion does apply to drafts, but only obvious hoaxes are subject to speedy deletion.  What look like non-obvious hoaxes may be real.  Robert McClenon (talk) 23:27, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Exactly so. has correctly understood my intent above. In addition I have seen a number of other simialr cases in the past, CSD taggings as well as MfD and AfD nominations. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 14:56, 23 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - See . This is not AFD, which would consider game notability.  Robert McClenon (talk) 23:45, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Real character in a real game. CoolSkittle  (talk) 23:59, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Whether it is notable is a different question. But the character appears to exist. Taewangkorea (talk) 00:04, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Smerge and redirect  to Brawl Stars. A too-narrow unjustified spinout. Draftspace should not be used for WP:spinouts without consensus on the article talkpage. This spinout is WP:UNDUE. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:21, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep: This character does exist. She does not seem notable, but that is not a concern as this is just a draft that has only been submitted once. As for SmokeyJoe's arguments for merging: no consensus anywhere is required to create a draft in most cases, even if the topic is non-notable, and WP:UNDUE is about balancing viewpoints, not about drafting article spinouts. Geolodus (talk) 10:19, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, UNDUE isn’t quite right. It is not independently notable of Brawl Stars.  As such, in passing, I am calling it hopeless.  It would be better to add a mention in the existing article.  —SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:51, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It is at least possible that additional sources might exist and be added which would render this character independently notable. A couple of in-depth critical reviews from reliable sources would do it. I think the odds are against it, but I wouldn't call it hopeless, as SmokeyJoe does, and I can't agree with the idea that local consensus is required to start a draft on a sub-topic, or even a new article on a sub topic. This is the Bold stage of WP:BRD. If this is ever promoted to article space, a merge can be proposed. I don't see thart as a reason to delete. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:02, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * To be fair, SmokeyJoe wasn't suggesting deletion. Geolodus (talk) 17:20, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.