Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Patricia Saint. Aubin

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  Delete. Ricky81682 (talk) 00:18, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Draft:Patricia Saint. Aubin


non notable politician running for election. She might conceivably be notable if she wins, if Mass.State Auditor is a position that implies notability, but in the meantime having this here even in draft space has only the purpose of being a political advertisement.  DGG ( talk ) 05:06, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, certainly if she won the election sufficient notability is established. If this is not the case, than the page of the current office holder must, of course be promptly deleted, as the exclusive claim to notability in that article is that the individual occupies the MA State Auditor's office.

To your point though, in what sense does having the article as a draft on my personal page realistically constitute an attempt at political advertising? With all due respect, I'd venture to say that you are one of the only people who has even looked at my user page. Right off the bat, I fully disclosed to the editors in the help chat section on numerous occasions that I am in fact a volunteer for the Saint Aubin campaign. I am neither an employee or paid contributor, and I have never received compensation of any sort at any time for my efforts to create for her a Wikipedia article.

A challenger for political office does not automatically lack sufficient notability to create a Wikipedia article - numerous candidates currently have pages in this encyclopedia, because they have attracted significant enough media coverage, regionally or nationally, to warrant creation. Saint Aubin may well not have attained adequate notability as of my last submission of the article for creation. Coverage of her candidacy has greatly increased since than, but it can be debated whether or not this increase is large enough to make her notable. Deleting the draft from my personal user page however is an automatic judgement that she will never achieve sufficient notability until she wins (if she does at all). If she did actually achieve sufficient notability, the construction of the article must start from scratch again if all drafts of it continually banned from the library. If on November 4th when the race is decided, she were to lose, than I would fully agree that there is no purpose in Wikipedia hosting drafts the article - I'd clear my user page of it myself.

JustOneOfThosePeople (talk) 23:08, 29 October 2014 (UTC)


 * That DGG is one of the (few?) people who has seen this draft is self-evident. (It's equally obvious that I've seen it.) It's not in your "userspace", and in no sense is it your personal page (indeed, as long as this is red, you don't have a user page); instead, it's a draft in an area for drafts. Like it or not, this draft is threatened with deletion. When there's a threat of deletion, the sensible and obvious course of action is to save the threatened material (as a text file) on your computer. If the material here is deleted but P St A thereafter becomes notable (in whatever way), you can then update your text file accordingly and try again. All very easy. Meanwhile, delete, because the biographee currently lacks sufficient noteworthiness. -- Hoary (talk) 06:49, 30 October 2014 (UTC)


 * By long standing precedent here, notability is not temporary If it is considered that the position is intrinsically notable, then all holders of the office, present and past, will remain notable indefinitely /WP ia an encyclopedia, not a current guide to the state politics, I am not now raising the question of whether the position is suffciently important to give an assumption if notability to all its holders. That would need to be discussed elsewhere.  DGG ( talk ) 07:32, 30 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete as per WP:POLITICIAN, agree with nom and User:Hoary. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 18:38, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
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