Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Planète Juniors

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:10, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Planète Juniors

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Non-notable TV station. The draft is mostly a listing of programs that ran on the channel, and some trivia about personnel.

Draft has been declined five times (mine will make six), for exactly the same reason; lack of good sources. The only sources in the draft are two perfunctory reports that it's closing down. My own searching didn't turn up anything, but somebody who speaks French might have better luck finding sources. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:00, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep
 * I spent too long looking at this already. MfD is not for testing notability, or lesser-notability such as suitability for merging into a larger article (Planète+). It is very likely that this should be smerged into a larger article.
 * As a foreign language historical topic (active 2007-2009), finding sources will be hard. Questioning notability means checking all sources that exist, not just sources listed, not just online sources.  The notability standard is very different to AfD accept standards.
 * Is it a machine translation? Is it in French Wikipedia?  It is not mentioned at fr:Planète+. Cross language Wikipedia article creation by translation is to be encouraged, but note “translation”, the native language article should exist first. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:52, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree that the standards for keeping drafts are (intentionally) more inclusive than in mainspace. But, by the time it's been submitted six (seven?) times with no substantial improvement, you have to stop wasting time on repeated reviews.  I have no fundamental objection to a redirect to Planète+, but the channel isn't even mentioned there.  I suppose it could be added as part of a list of defunct channels that used to be part of the network, within the limits of WP:UNDUE.
 * What I really want to comment on is the notion that one must check all sources that exist, not just sources listed, not just online sources. I'm fine with doing some searching online (which I did), but it's an absurd bar to verify that no offline sources exist.  Non-existence proofs are impossible.  -- RoySmith (talk) 15:41, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * If WP:DMFD’s “repeatedly resubmitted and declined at AfC without any substantial improvement” applies, please say so, and provide the diff, upfront. It makes things so much easier. It appears to apply. Delete or Merge&Redirect.  It is a WP:DUE close call. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:10, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * submissions to AFC today. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:23, 15 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - Draft has been submitted seven (not six) times. History shows that one of the resubmissions was reverted as disruptive rather than declined.  More generally, most of the resubmissions have been tendentious, resubmitting with no material improvement.  It isn't just a lack of notability, but tendentious resubmission.  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:56, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete should redirect to Planète+ parent television network and mentioned as one of the channels, but there just isn't enough information for its own article. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 02:44, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Article has been resubmitted twice today without improvement so I put down the stop sign. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:28, 15 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete due to disruptive resubmissions without improvement, with noting that the page is of very poor quality.
 * I recommend to advocates for this article they they need to improve fr:Plan%C3%A8te_Juniors. I actually think that fr:Plan%C3%A8te_Juniors should be merged into fr:Planète+.  Cross-language translations are desired, but please get the native language source articles up to an acceptable standard before translating.
 * Googletranslates to: Je recommande aux défenseurs de cet article d’améliorer fr:Plan%C3%A8te_Juniors. Je pense en fait que fr:Plan%C3%A8te_Juniors devrait être intégré à fr:Planète+. Des traductions multilingues sont souhaitées, mais veuillez obtenir les articles source en langue maternelle à un niveau acceptable avant de traduire.
 * --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:12, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

I've added Ma Planete to the Planete+ article listing of channels. I've found a few articles that mention the renaming from Ma Planete to Planete Juniors but none that really go into the programming detail, other than it shut down on in a certain year. Again, this can be detailed in subsections of the Planete article. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 05:14, 16 October 2019 (UTC) updated 16:47, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - tendentious repeated resubmission, and now rejection, indicates that there is no hope for this draft to be a viable article. -Crossroads- (talk) 20:52, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.