Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Raúl Allain

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: keep. No consensus to delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 23:10, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Raúl Allain


This topic has been deleted off Spanish Wikipedia by discussion and three more times. If my Spanish is correct they create protected the title If a Spanish speaking writer can't get a page in Spanish, and they are very definate about it, we should delete this. Legacypac (talk) 06:44, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. I google translated the first three references. The first is by the subject and so is not independent and doesn’t speak to notability.  The next two look ok, reads like independent secondary source coverage.  Ideally, someone fluent in Spanish can second guess the independence and reliability of refs 2 & 3, and can tell us why the Spanish Wikipedians deleted and salted. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:10, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Tentative weak keep, still hoping for an independent Hispanophone. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:56, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, WP:TNT at least. I have translated the draft, and it just lists the subjects publications.  No reviews, no secondary source material whatsoever.  Combined with the behavioral problems noted at es:Wikipedia:Consultas_de_borrado/Ra%C3%BAl_Alla%C3%ADn, this should be deleted now.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:02, 27 March 2018 (UTC)


 * deleted in consultation (AfD), without relevance and repeated sabotage - is the stated reason for the create protect, Admin only. Legacypac (talk) 21:14, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - Waiting for the author or another Hispanophone editor to explain. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:09, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - The issues that are described are not a reason to delete here. Start the G13 clock running, and move either to mainspace or to dev/null within six months.  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:17, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. I explain. At the time that the subject was deleted they did not have the current, necessary, or proper references as understood by the Wikipedians in Spanish at that time and, well, those that could be vast at the time of deletion were not placed correctly. When an attempt was made to correct the elaboration of the page, several users with the same IP (part of a library) intervened, being considered by a wikipedista meat puppets ..., therefore validating the page. This is why several writers, we can mention Gabriel Rimachi Sialer or Leo Zelada, have pages in the Wikipedia in English and not in Spanish. Literaturemostly (talk) 11:24, 26 March 2018 (UTC)


 * It would be a lot better for Spanish speaking editors to write about a spanish speaking writer in spanish first, then translate the page. I'm not inclined to support a page that is not permitted in the most logical language wikipedia. Legacypac (talk) 18:02, 26 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment - I can comment that the page was written in Spanish and then translated into English, although it could not be published in Spanish because of the problems I mentioned, in this way it has fulfilled its condition. In addition, other pages of nearby authors published in Wikipedia in English were reviewed as a reference for language, and I have revisited the page: it is written in a simple and logical. If the other librarians do not agree, we will reformulate the writing, but I think it is written in a good way... Literaturemostly (talk) 18: 36, 26 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep Plausible draft. History at the Spanish-language Wikipedia is not relevant here, draft must be discussed on its own merits. Whether the cited sources are now enough to establish notability is not relevant here at MFD as per WP:NMFD, but that some of them look good is a further reason to keep. No policy-based reason for deletion has been mentioned. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 07:19, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.