Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Rana Tarakji

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was Delete. kelapstick(bainuu) 12:37, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Rana Tarakji


This draft which started as an article in talk space exactly duplicates the article Rana Tarakji‎ and has been constructed by the same editor, possibly as insurance in case the article is deleted.  Velella  Velella Talk 13:07, 2 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment Ironically, if Velella had left the page where it was created, as a talk page, I would have deleted it as the talk page of a deleted article. However, Velella has moved it to draft space, and it is far less clear that it should be deleted, since creating a draft so that it can be worked on if the article is deleted seems to me to be perfectly legitimate. However, it is not at all clear to me that the editor who created the page intends it as a draft article to be worked on, so deletion may be reasonable. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:45, 2 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete. I have now looked further at the history. I find that the editor has created at least seven copies of this self-promotional content, as a articles, user pages, an article talk page, and a user talk page, using at least two accounts to do so. It is clear that it is an attempt to spam, and all copies should be deleted. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:53, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Whatever its origins, it is now a legitimate article draft. It is unlikely to be improved, at which point it can be deleted through WP:CSD when it becomes stale. But it does no harm as a draft article until that time. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:53, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Up to a point I agree with WikiDan61, which is why I didn't say "delete" in my first comment. However, I don't agree that it is "a legitimate article draft". It is spam, and as such is not legitimate, and qualifies for speedy deletion. We normally allow leeway in draft articles, and don't immediately delete good faith drafts which would be deleted as articles, to allow a chance for their authors to improve them, but there is no good reason for making an exception when there is no evidence at all that the author has any intention of doing anything of the sort: she appears to have only the intention of using Wikipedia for promotion. The editor who moved it to draft space wants it deleted, so it is difficult really to justify keeping what would otherwise be speedily-deleted on the grounds that it is in draft space. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 14:02, 2 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment I have given this some more thought. If the creator of the article shows any sign of interest in improving the page, either by editing it or by commenting in this discussion, then it will be reasonable to give him or her more of a chance, so my "delete" comment above may be regarded as void, and replaced by a "keep". However, if this discussion remains open for a week and the editor has still shown no sign of interest in working to bring the page into line with Wikipedia standards, then my comment above stands. It is not 100% true to say that such a page "does no harm", because experience over the years has taught me that a significant proportion of editors whose only purpose is to use Wikipedia to host a self-promotional page are happy as long as the page stays, no matter whether it has "Draft" at the beginning of the title or not, and allowing such an inappropriate page to remain encourages them. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 19:56, 2 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete as per the foregoing comments by User:JamesBWatson. It is obvious that after more than a month, the creator of the article has no interest in improving the page. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 14:33, 9 July 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.