Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Ronald H. Winston

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: no consensus. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 21:29, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Ronald H. Winston


The author of this draft has a poorly disclosed conflict of interest, having first acknowledged that they are an employee but then trying to state that they are only trying to correct an injustice. This draft is not neutral and is not likely to be improved. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:04, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. None of the nominator's statements amount to a reason to delete, even collectively.  Editorially, I would say that it is a textbook WP:BIO1E, and that the page should be redirected to Harry Winston, Inc..  An interested editor should be encouraged to try merging some content.  I have not read the sources, but note there are several.  If the author is RHW, or an immediate relative, they should suggest material to add by posting at Talk:Harry Winston, Inc..  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:43, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

'''To everyone commenting on my attempt(s)... and in consideration of my efforts being deleted...''' First, please note that this is my first time (ever) trying to post something to this community, which has certainly proven to be quite difficult. As a byproduct of my lack of understanding I have made certain mistakes, such as establishing my account in the name of the person I was trying to help, thinking someone else would later maintain said page on behalf of Mr. Winston... a thought process clearly out-of-line with the intent and/or guidelines of Wiki, which again I did not realize, but shouldn't be made to feel as though I've done something "wrong." Then, through the feedback I began receiving, I learned a few more things such as (but not limited to): A) Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia and B) Paid-contribution_disclosure - which is something I've clearly not hidden and would be happy to address if allowed to proceed - and is apparently (and per my understanding) where this whole problem began for Mr. Winston - e.g., that the person who first edited said page didn't comply with the steps surrounding Paid-contribution_disclosure. And to be clear, my choosing to use the word injustice was only b/c Mr. Winston's page WAS accepted and later removed (for the reason previously noted)... and I felt Mr. Winston should not have had to "pay for" said oversight in the form of his notoriety being removed after it had been accepted. Secondly, please understand that my only intention at the end-of-the-day was to do a Mitzvah for Mr. Winston, b/c as I've previously stated/implied, I have nothing to gain by Mr. Winston's page being accepted or not... other than, perhaps, some good Karma. And to be clear, I truly don't care if you ultimately decide to delete what I've started, despite my or someone else wishing to further comply with all wiki-policies, constructive advice on how to neutralize the information being presented, Etc. That said, if my initial efforts are deleted - and someone's later efforts to highlight Mr. Winston's notoriety are also shot down (b/c Ronald is now "on your radar") - well, I suppose that'll be something you'll all have to live with, as the right thing to do here is to simply help me or someone else wishing to take this on (who might also be new to this community) better-understand what needs to be done in order to achieve the goal of posting the page/info, by continuing to advise certain next steps such as A) what Robert McClenon has so kindly done in his Nov. 2 reply to my re-submission and/or B) the suggestion noted above by SmokeyJoe. Lastly and from my still rather limited experience in this community, I wish there were a more direct method of communication with certain folks that could help guide someone wishing to post something, as it was NOT clear to me (and I would therefore assume others) that certain guidelines and/or requirements are mandatory for a certain type of page to ultimately be accepted WITHOUT having to contend with all the issues I've encountered thus far (in the way it all unfolded). Sincerely, Michael Tigar (a.k.a RWinston, but wishing to either change my username or simply delete my account all together, especially after my take-a-way thus far). RWinston (talk) 20:28, 5 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Greetings, Michael.
 * I wish to apologise on behalf of Wikipedia. We do a terrible job of welcoming newcomers. I note that after registering and beginning to edit, you were not even Welcomed. I just fixed that.
 * I think the first thing any newcomer should do is edit an article. Improve something. If that works out, add some new content taken from a source not already used. Stay away from AfC and DraftSpace. It is a junkland for waylaying newcomers so that they don’t add junk to article-space. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:01, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.