Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:SageTea

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 21:46, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Draft:SageTea


Non-notable and repeatedly resubmitted by an editor who has admitted being the inventor and CEO. After 9 resubmissions, it's clear they aren't listening to advice, and there's no evidence this will ever be notable. All it's doing is wasting people's time. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:37, 10 April 2016 (UTC).


 * I admit and disclose that I have a conflict of interest, so will take a step back from editing this article. I have given the info to Jonathan Todd. He used to work at SageTea, but doesn't anymore. He is familiar with the topic, although to a lesser degree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Longfamily417 (talk • contribs)


 * You hiring someone to write the page for you is still a conflict of interest and possibly paid editing, and doesn't solve the main problem, which is that it simply isn't notable. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:46, 10 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete - I waited to nominate this draft for deletion because I saw marginal evidence that notability could be established for the subject company, and was prepared instead to go to WP:ANI to request a block for the author and give a chance for a non-COI editor to adopt this draft and move it through AFC. However, even after repeatedly being asked either to stop resubmitting or to ask for advice at the Teahouse or the Help Desk, the author continued to push to get this draft accepted.  Enough is enough.  The alternative is a block.  If the community doesn't think that notability can be established, then deletion is the less extreme option.  (If the community does think that notability can be established, then a block is needed in order to allow someone to move this draft forward without aggressive handling by the author.)  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:53, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

I have requested a none COI author. He is not being paid by me, but is familiar with the topic (although to a lesser degree). I am willing to offer comments, if asked. If not, I am ok with however the community wants to view the article. It does have news coverage and a peer reviewed reference.

Longfamily417 (talk) 21:56, 10 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Once again, you're not listening. If you request someone to edit this page, then that means they automatically have a conflict of interest, as you, the inventor/CEO, is asking them to edit it.
 * Also, you're missing the key point- it isn't notable.
 * If you start spouting the same continuous misarguments again, then I will ask for admin intervention to have you blocked, as you're clearly not here to build the encyclopedia, rather just to promote your non-notable crap. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:00, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

I am doing my best to respond in a timely fashion, and don't I don't share your view or agree with your use of swearing. I thought we were having a friendly dialog ;-)

I am contributing about a topic which I know, which is not unreasonable. The article's content includes a peer reviewed publication (which means the USPTO agrees it has merit) and news that was reporting in two major newspapers. I believe this does meet the requirement for notability - that would need to be determined with the new author and the editors.

Respectfully.. Longfamily417 (talk) 22:21, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as there no salvageable content on this article that belongs on Wikipedia. I have repeatedly informed that his company doesn't meet the standards for inclusion, and that he should not be advertising on Wikipedia, but I don't seem to be getting through.  Bradv  23:03, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete: Honestly, I was ready to nominate it for G11 CSD.. Purely advertising by COI editor who refuses to listen to direct and repeated advice.  I see no chance of it being suitable for inclusion any time soon. Chrisw80 (talk) 04:04, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This is in mainspace at . The draft should be histmerged into it. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 04:10, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Mainspace article is at AFD: Articles for deletion/SageTea. - David Biddulph (talk) 08:49, 11 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. I see some evidence of emerging notability, but it's too soon for now. The page is unambiguous advertising, created by to publicise his product, so it's a bit of a mystery why the speedy nomination as G11 was declined by . To the detriment of the project and for reasons that I just can't understand, we seem to tolerate conflict of interest editing in draft space; but we don't allow advertising anywhere. Delete, but without prejudice to re-creation by a non-connected editor if the product eventually becomes notable. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:34, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

I removed the reference to my own name, which could be the "advertising" to which you refer. The article could be easily edited to remove references to SageTea Inc. That might also help. Longfamily417 (talk) 11:01, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable at this point. The two decent sources (the Ottawa Citizen and Montreal Gazette) are more about Long than the company, and Longfamily417 doesn't seem to understand the difference between an encyclopedia and a business directory. This is an attempt at SEO, pure and simple.  Mini  apolis  23:23, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable. Longfamily417 does not seem to know the policy of non-promotional material. Yoshi24517 Chat  Online 21:33, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTPROMOTION and WP:NOTDIRECTORY. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 18:23, 14 April 2016 (UTC)


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