Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Sony SAB tamil

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  keep. (non-admin closure) (t &#183; c)  buidhe  23:54, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Sony SAB tamil

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Re-creation of content already deleted as G11. Declined second tag of G11. Fails WP:CRYSTAL. Unreferenced. Orphan. Unlinked. Uncategorized. Only serves to promote a future TV channel. — Jeff G. ツ 05:26, 13 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:NMFD. Sony SAB tamil is upcoming tamil channel by Sony pictures network India is not unambiguous advertising or promotion. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 12:08, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:CRYSTAL doesn't apply, as this is verifiable. Being unreferenced is not a valid reason for deletion. Being orphaned is not a valid reason for deletion (drafts are supposed to be orphaned anyway). Being uncategorised is not a valid reason for deletion. This is not written in a promotional tone. I'm not seeing any valid reason for deletion here. Adam9007 (talk) 15:45, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - Will need rejecting if submitted in its current state. Needs improving before submission.  It's a stupid draft, and draft space is among other things for stupid drafts.  Robert McClenon (talk) 04:55, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * strong keep This is obviously not promotional, and the speedy was very properly declined. As there are sources (cited by Adam9007 above) WP:CRYSTAL doesn't apply. None of are valid reasons for deleting a draft. Mentioning the existence of something, including a verifiable highly likely planned future thing, is not promoting that thing. Do not make such nominations in future, please, . This is obviously not ready to be approved, but that in no way means that it should be deleted. It hasn't even been submitted, and there is no reason for anyone not planning to assist in developing it to do anything about it at this stage. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:18, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * seems to think that this should have been speedied (presumably under G11). Methinks we may need to have another discussion about G11 at WT:CSD, if some are saying this is obviously not G11 and others are saying the exact opposite. Adam9007 (talk) 16:13, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I am not sure that by "deleted on sight" meant "speedy deleted".  The speedy criteria are intentionally narrow and strict, items not clearly fitting at least one of the criteria may not be speedy deleted. That has wide and lasting consensus. If either you or Jimfbleak seriously think this page fits G11 then please do start a discussion at WT:CSD. I would be very surprised if that view got consensus. If any admin did delete such a page under G11 and I noticed it, I would probably bring it to WP:DRV. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:40, 15 September 2020 (UTC)  DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:40, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I do not think that this is anywhere near G11; I was just pointing out that there are those who seem to think that it is a G11. Adam9007 (talk) 16:54, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I am confident that neither current consensus nor the current wording of G11 supports that view. It seems above that several experienced editors agree with me on that. I see no need to start a discussion to affirm the status quo, but anyone wishing to change it should certainly do so. If there are extensive actions disregarding the wording of G11, or any others of the CSD, a discussion might be needed, either on WT:CSD or at ANI. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:49, 15 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep no reason to delete a draft. It is where it belongs. Lightburst (talk) 02:50, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.