Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Sovereign people

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 20:04, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Sovereign people


Draft is a POV essay promoting WP:FRINGE political views. There is not the slightest chance of this ever becoming an article. I would encourage the creating editor to blank the draft and tag it for speedy deletion. Ad Orientem (talk) 23:54, 27 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per above. Additionally, the author is a single-purpose account who has a problem with the sovereign citizen movement article (see Special:Diff/846051787). If they want to write a rebuttal to Wikipedia's article, they're free to do so somewhere else. clpo13(talk) 00:01, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - regurgitation of the usual "sovereign citizen" nonsense, with no reliable sources or evidence of the distinct notability of this particular pair of words. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  00:08, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * comment Oh: and then salt the title. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  00:36, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. There are many reasons to never use draft space, but one really big one is "Do not use draftspace to create WP:POVFORKs."  The author  seems to care too much about this topic to be a dispassionate contributor.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:30, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * FYI I have dropped a friendly note on their talk page cautioning them about editing with an AGENDA etc. We will see what comes of it. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:32, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I went to do that myself. Any ideas on how we can get all new accounts auto-welcomed on registration?  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:35, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd take that idea to the Village Pump. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:47, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete The passion from the editor is extremely evident, and that's the problem. Lots of original research and synthesis plus a few other things tossed in.  Yup, Wikipedia is wrong, to them, but not to the overwhelming predominant view of reliable sources.  Ravensfire  (talk) 02:54, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Neutral - It's a little too early to delete this, when the author hasn't submitted it yet and the rant doesn't appear to be doing any harm yet. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:32, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak Userfy on the off-chance something useful may come of it. I concur with Robert McClenon. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 20:49, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete it is just a bunch of stream-of-consciousness, magical thinking that quotes laws as if they were spells bereft of real-world context or meaning ie a bunch of SovCit mumbo-jumbo. There is zero chance this will ever become an article. If it were to be re-written in a policy compliant manner it would essentially be Sovereign citizen movement. The chance of it being re-written in a policy compliant manner is essentially nil. Jbh  Talk  22:55, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Advocacy, which is not permitted even in draft space.  DGG ( talk ) 17:09, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. For those of you with an impaired sense of humor or no appreciation for 80's pop culture references: this means Strong Delete.   ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants   Tell me all about it.  19:32, 2 July 2018 (UTC)  You may want to check the page before !voting based on the assumption that they never submitted it: There's a note from the AfC reviewer  at the top of the page that predates this MfD.  ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants   Tell me all about it.  19:40, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * An afc comment is different from an afc review. The draft has never been submitted for an afc review and it has never received an afc review; it merely bears afc submission which means little in this context. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 03:38, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I get that, but this comment said it was an AfC submission. I don't mess around with AfC so I could well be wrong about it having been submitted, but the fact remains that other, more experienced editors have had a chance to look at this draft, and the have not been particularly kind to it. Saying that it shouldn't be deleted because it hasn't had a chance to be formally reviewed favors procedure over pragmatism for no reason. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants   Tell me all about it.  03:45, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 * That's not what is being argued; "when the author hasn't submitted it yet" likely alludes to the repeat submission without improvement clause of WP:DMFD (or such a notion here in general). However, I can see how that might be confusing without context. Best regards, — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 02:18, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think you understood my point, but it's not worth bickering over. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants   Tell me all about it.  02:46, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I concur. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 02:48, 4 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. Abject nonsense on a stick. Guy (Help!) 17:32, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Clearly a POVFORK of Sovereign citizen movement, written from a fringe viewpoint. Brunton (talk) 21:33, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.