Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Sunil Prem Vyas

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. I know there are arguments for keep, but they don't take into account the history noted by Elmidae, and neither keep has responded to the comment bringing it up. On the balance of things, I'm inclined to agree not to waste any more time with this. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 07:32, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Sunil Prem Vyas

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The article on this actor and director has been redirected as insufficiently notable by about half a dozen people. It was deleted early on as G11 and then again yesterday as G3/G7. In every case, the article was reinstated by the author. I see from the AfC history that this was accompanied/prefaced by no less than five AfC declines, apparently ignored; it has now been shifted back to draft again, following the lastest copypaste recreation, and I have my doubts that'll do any good. Inconveniently the page history of the article is gone since yesterday's deletion (log's still available though - every one of the logged reviews since June 2018 is a revert to redirect). Actually I think that neither G3 - no content - nor G7 - no claim to significance - would strictly have applied to the latest version. So: propose deletion based on lack of demonstrated notability as is, then salt to prevent recurrence of this circus. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 13:26, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete almost closed this as a speedy delete but better to let it run its course. Already salted article space as repeatedly recreated. Glen (talk) 13:47, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete this draft, which would have been G13 in a few days anyway. Leave the title salted in article space.  Do not salt the title in draft space.  That means that the author will have at least one more chance to submit this in draft, at risk of a block if they are a nuisance.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:14, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong keep An aleged lack of notability is not a valid reason to delete a draft, nor is having been declined several times,. as long as the editor is sincerely attempting to improve the draft, which seems to be the case hre. Deletions, especially speedy deletions, as opposed to AfDs, of a corrsponding article are not relevant to whether a draft should be deleted or not. In short, no valid reason form deletion is listed. Had this been speedy deleted I would have taken it straight to DRV. As it is I think some of the adtions on the corresponding article are at best dubious. There is no rule against a copy&paste move from draft space where one editor has made all significant contributions, or where attribution can be preserved as per WP:CWW. But we are here now -- one discussion at a time. I am going to restore the improperly deleted redirect to preserve history. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 21:15, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. The subject, to my searches, is plausibly notable, and drafting should be welcome.  If this draft has been tendentiously resubmitted then please provide diffs.  I advise people interested in contributing to this topic to first gain experience improving existing articles.  WP:SPAs writing new topics tend to look like WP:UPEs and receive a rough response.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:10, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * "Comment: not yet merged -- still appropriate for merging DGG ( talk ) 09:56, 28 September 2020 (UTC)" is a very good reason to not delete. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:11, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Splendid. See, what the two of you are unaware of is the long history of the article in mainspace; now inaccessible due to the deletion, but I guess at least DESiegel could take a look. This only looks like a "newbie trying to improve a draft" because that deletion closed off the editor's usual avenue of edit-warring in mainspace as a sock account, and they had to paste from draft rather than hitting the revert button. I had this all written up for AfD when the latest iteration was draftified out from under my nose, to a duplicate name - yes, it's a nicely screwed-up history. - So: the next time this gets horked into mainspace - which should be within the week, going by past experience - I'll take it straight to AfD. That will include moving it back out of draft if it gets shunted back here again. AGF is very much used up in this editor's case. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 14:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.