Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Super Sonic Racing (2018)

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 05:37, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Super Sonic Racing (2018)


No indication of satisfying WP:GNG after 9 submissions. WP:TOOSOON, WP:TENDENTIOUS David. moreno 72    01:55, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete I was thinking of nominating it myself Legacypac (talk) 02:20, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, as per nomination. Dan arndt (talk) 03:24, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Sonic the Hedgehog. The WP:GNG, 9 submissions. WP:TOOSOON, and WP:TENDENTIOUS are not recognized as valid reasons for deletion of drafts.  The re-submissions cannot be criticized more heavily than the AfC process leaving on the page a saccharine message encouraging editing improvement and re-submission with a big blue ("don't bother with the fine text") button to resubmit.  MfD is the wrong place to resolve these AfC failures, instead AfC engineers should fix the templates, and until then, reviewers should, for example, look to redirect options as and easily justified method to remove the AfC cycle.  Redirecting to the most relevant mainspace article tells the author and any subsequent others with similar ideas that they should look to improving the content in that article.  Drafting WP:SPINOUT-failing pages in draftspace fails WP:UNDUE.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:26, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Feel free to fix the perceived AfC system failings but in the mean time all three reasons in the nom are perfectly good reasons to delete. Legacypac (talk) 06:12, 23 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment - Scylla, meet Charybdis Charybdis, meet Scylla. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:11, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - For all of the above reasons given by David.moreno72 and Legacypac. However, it appears that User:SmokeyJoe is saying that drafts cannot be deleted, no matter how cruddy they are, until we fix the AFC process.  In this case, Legacypac provided the NSFW template, which is strongly worded enough that there was no longer a saccharine quality, and the author should at least have asked what to do about the contradiction.  No.  They pushed on.  Delete the thing.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:16, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * “Cruddy” is not defined, and is needlessly offensive. I don’t agree to deletion with even one valid reason for deletion.  Come on, at least say “promotion”.  —SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:25, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Looking again, I see a lot of “Toosoon”. Toosoon is a reason for keeping in draftspace. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:27, 25 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete as per TOOSOON. – Davey 2010 Talk 22:21, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * "TOOSOON" is a reason to keep in draftspace. "a potential name for a upcoming Racing video game".  It think you meant "WAYWAYTOOSOON for something way too small to even look like it might get its own page".  I don't really oppose deletion, the sources are non-sources or promoting sources, "delete in favour of Sonic the Hedgehog is a fine outcome, though I recommend a residual redirect to catch the next excited sonic game drafter.  In future, I recommend "speedy redirect" (per policy WP:ATD, the time investing in this discussion was expensive.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:05, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * TOOSOON is a reason to delete anywhere, Create an article or draft when there's reliable sources and all that. – Davey 2010 Talk 00:10, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * TOOSOON applies for example to things that fail WP:NFF, a film not yet commenced principal photography, but these are definitely good for draftspace. We may disagree, but I assure that I will continue to argue that TOOSOON implies "not yet shown to be notable but may later" and is a reason for keeping in draftspace.  Anything that is notable should go straight into mainspace.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:58, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry but TOOSOON applies to this too. – Davey 2010 Talk 01:03, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
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