Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Wayne Dupree

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: no consensus to delete the draft. Discussion about the subject is probably best conducted on the draft's talk page; discussion about user behavior belongs on user talk pages or a dispute resolution forum. RL0919 (talk) 22:56, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Wayne Dupree


Non-notable radio talk show host. Has already been the subject of a deletion discussion in article space; see Articles for deletion/Wayne Dupree.

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Author is continuing to submit drafts and has ignored the advice to request a copy of the deleted article for comparison. Time to salt the subject in article space and draft space. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:22, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Cllgbksr/Dupree draft 1 is the deleted article. See logs. —Cryptic 07:19, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I have not ignored any advice, if anything I have sought additional advice. Please explain "Time to salt the subject in article space and draft space." Cllgbksr (talk) 17:31, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment' - I don't see any request for additional advice, but it isn't necessary to argue over that, only to discuss whether to delete. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:27, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Reply If you review the talk page of Draft talk:Wayne Dupree starting in August 2018, you will see the back and forth with other users, requesting additional advice to move it forward.  Wasn't sure what exactly needed to be done to get a copy for comparison, Thought I submitted the request properly, it's possible I didn't since it wasn't something I've done before.  Another user provided me with User:Cllgbksr/Dupree draft 1, so I am curious, is that draft - the copy of the deleted article - to be used for comparison? .Cllgbksr (talk)
 * Comment - SALT means Create-Protection. If the conclusion is to Delete and Salt, creation of Wayne Dupree and Draft:Wayne Dupree will be prevented.
 * Question How exactly does that work long term? Does that mean if Dupree receives sufficient independent, secondary coverage in the future, that goes above and beyond the notability requirements for a BLP, a user will be prevented to create an article on the subject?Cllgbksr (talk)
 * Question - Does User:Cllgbksr have any financial or other connection with Dupree? See the conflict of interest policy.  Robert McClenon (talk) 05:26, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Answer Been over this already, believe another user asked the same question when it went through AfD in 2017. I first learned about Dupree in 2016 as an occasional listener of his show, ran into him at the RNC in Cleveland, when his radio show was covering the Trump primary. Spoke with him about his background, you can call it an interview, found his background interesting, Dupree being an African American, former liberal-Democrat turned conservative-Republican, thought he met the requirements for a BLP, created a draft that late summer, an administrator I did not know reviewed the draft and moved it to mainspace.  His page seem to be no problem until he made 50 Most influential African American Republicans by Newsmax in early 2017, then his page was vandalized by an unknown ISP, subsequently the attention that drew, led to the AfD.  From my end it seemed he was ganged up on by other WP users whose contributions seemed to lean left politically.  I think the reason I've been so animate about seeing this page through, is because of the chain of events that occurred, that would make one wonder, if there is not some type of pushback going on within WP, to not want a black conservative featured. I certainly hope that is not the case. We all have our political views, I lean conservative and am not afraid to say so. So to answer your question, there is no COI in my opinion, Dupree is not paying me to write his page, I have no motive to publish the page other than what I've already stated. Cllgbksr (talk) 15:36, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment/Question For Robert McClenon. In another thread you suggested I was trying to "game the system" by continually resubmitting the draft. First I wasn't trying to game the system. Second, to game the system, I would first have to understand the system, which I don't.  I'm a novice at best as a WP User. Third, there are two drafts. The  and  that another user provided which could be a copy of the original article to be used for comparison?, that user was ready to move to mainspace and was seeking a consensus, see last paragraph on talk page heading "Readiness for mainspace" Draft talk:Wayne Dupree, that may be the original article in draft form that was deleted in AfD 2017, and I believe that is the one I resubmitted last after adding more sourcing. When I checked the history it went back to 2016 so I thought that was the one to submit again based on another users input for mainspace seeking consensus.  Was that the right draft I should be working with? As it relates to the page, if Dupree doesn't have significant coverage for a BLP I can accept that and have no issue with keeping the draft updated until such time it may pass muster.  It's possible when the original draft page was moved to mainspace in 2016, it didn't have the elements of significant coverage for a BLP, but it doesn't mean at a later time it won't, based on up to date sourcing. I think the salt option for a living person who may later fully meet if not exceed notability requirements, seems over aggressive to a fault.Cllgbksr (talk) 17:32, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Awaiting your input, please advise. Thanks.Cllgbksr (talk)
 * Comment - First, spell my surname correctly. Second, I am willing to concede that you don't know what you are doing.  Third, I agree that Extended-Confirmed Create Protection rather than admin Create-Protection is sufficient, that an established editor should be able to create a draft or an article in the future.  At this point, having two drafts being submitted when there has already been a deletion discussion is problematic.  Fourth, not knowing what you are doing is not an argument to keep a draft.  Robert McClenon (talk) 05:13, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Reply First, your surname was corrected. Second, reviewed your user profile.  Third, impressed with your skill set and background. Fourth, your bedside manner interacting with a user like me, who is not at your level, seems "problematic".  Fifth, I'm a retired road dog, in my late 50's, my skill set was arresting "problematic people". Sixth, I still have a few marbles, and will work on learning how to navigate Wikipedia. Seventh, concur with your assessment on Extended-Confirmed Create Protection. Eighth, User:Cllgbksr/Dupree draft 1 was provided to me 30 September, 2018, believe it was a copy of the original Dupree article deleted in AfD.  I edited it after receiving it and resubmitted for inclusion, their msg to me below:

"I undeleted the previously deleted article and its talk page and moved them into your user space at User:Cllgbksr/Dupree draft 1 and User talk:Cllgbksr/Dupree draft 1, left a note about that at Draft talk:Wayne Dupree. – Athaenara  ✉  04:31, 30 September 2018 (UTC)"

Ninth, asking for your help. Guessing updating/editing the copy of the original article they provided and re-submitting for inclusion wasn't the proper course of action. Cllgbksr (talk) 00:47, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment Have there been any GNG news articles since the AFD in 2017 that would indicate Dupree is now notable? AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:40, 9 January 2019 (UTC)


 *  Reply Found four articles after 2017 AfD, published 2018, one a political Q & A interview by Sputnik (news agency), , , . Cllgbksr (talk) 19:39, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The Sun isn't a reliable source, and interviews that are mostly Q&A will have portions that don't meet GNG. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:14, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The Washington Post also covered Dupree, The Sun article wasn't the only source. Cllgbksr (talk)
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