Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Yes Please (band)

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete and salt below ECP signed,Rosguill talk 22:10, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Yes Please (band)

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This draft has been declined three times and moved to mainspace out of process twice, once by a blocked UPE sockpuppet and once by the creator of the draft,. As pointed out at COIN, many of the sources are paid-for spam from PR sites; the others are basic listings from, e.g., Discogs and Apple Music that do not contribute to notability. I would rather not leave this for G13 because of the obvious promotional intent and history of disruptive editing which suggests G13 may not be effective. SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 20:57, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt the draft and the article name. The sources I checked were fake, from sites that offer paid promotional services. Seems to be pure promotional use of Wikipedia. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:12, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * OK that was silly of me to suggest salting a draft, since simply salting the article space will protect from malicious recreations.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 22:35, 31 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Weak keep as a plausible, albeit somewhat promotional, draft that needs major work. There's no harm in keeping it as Draft: namespace is not indexed by Google. If the editors want to keep improving it, I see no problem with that. They can do it until they're blue in the face, notwithstanding any sockpuppets, of course, because, fundamentally, it won't do them a lick of good in promoting this band.
 * Strongly oppose administrator-level salting of Draft:Yes Please (band)/Support Extendedconfirmed-level salting Yes Please (band)/Draft:Yes Please (band), with very tepid support for administrator-level salting of Yes Please (band) because of the bureaucratic hoops editors would have to do, in the future, if a similarly-named, entirely different band emerges, or this band achieves notability in the future. Draft namespace does not need salting. --Doug Mehus T · C  21:21, 24 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep The chance of this becoming an article are tiny but nonzero, so this does not warrant immediate deletion. In the short term someone may get some practice editing, in the long-run there's little harm in waiting until G13 applies.
 * Oppose Salting Draft:Yes Please (band), Support Salting for mainspace. Draft-space should generally be salted only in cases of extensive disruption, and I think explained quite well above why that is the case.  This allows for the possibility that some article under that title may be some day be notable, but ensures that it goes through the draft process first and is properly reviewed prior to becoming a mainspace article. 2604:2000:8FC0:4:68BA:3B32:8613:8B6D (talk) 00:06, 25 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete as promotion and for tendentious resubmission. WP:SALT with ECP in both draft and article space so that a neutral editor can work on a draft or an article if the band becomes notable.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:30, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * , I strongly object to salting in draft space. That would require an extensive consensus process to unsalt. The problem here is the creator's insistance on creating in Main: namespace. Edits in draft space aren't indexed by Google, so that strikes me as unnecessarily bureaucratic to salt titles in both namespaces, and Wikipedia is, notionally, not a bureaucracy. Doug Mehus T · C  15:53, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * , What, what's ECP? Extendedconfirmed creation protection? If so, that's a reasonable compromise, and I can get behind that. Doug Mehus T · C  15:54, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - Yes, ECP is Extended-Confirmed Protection, to allow the title to be re-created by an editor who is here to contribute to the encyclopedia rather than being here for the day or here for a day's pay. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:44, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * okay, fair enough. I'll refine my !vote then. I didn't realize that salting could occur below full (administrator) level. Doug Mehus T · C  16:47, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Dmehus - Protection of either a page or a title can occur at three levels of which I am aware, confirmed, extended-confirmed, and admin. Confirmed protection is semi-protection, which is commonly used against vandalism and sometimes against disruption by IPs.  ECP was developed for battlefield editing on topics that may be real battlefields, especially Palestine and Israel, but is also useful as a protection against paid editing.  Full admin protection is not needed as often as it previously was, because some of its uses can be done by ECP.  ECP is the newest of the levels that I know of.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:31, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * , thanks, yeah, I knew about all the levels of protection, but didn't know creation protection (salting) could occur at each level. That's cool. I assume you've checked that "confirmed creation protection" wouldn't do the trick as, presumably, the creator is already autoconfirmed? As to full protection, surprisingly, I've had to request temporary full protection half a dozen times in the past couple months, for disputes between extendedconfirmed editors and either administrators or template editors (at Sharyl Attkisson, at Spider-Man: Far From Home, and at Talk page layout, among others). Doug Mehus T · C  20:37, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt as per . I don't see notability beyond the local garage, but an experienced editor can work on this if they become notable. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:45, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, and salt the article name, per AngusWOOF, Robert McClenon, et al. I don't see much point in salting a "Draft:" or "User:" working page, per Dmehus and 2604… – it's conceivable that with proper sourcing and wiki-smarts this could eventually be viable, and we'd rather have it developed as a sandboxed draft than "live" in mainspace.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:24, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
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