Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/File talk:688 Club logo.jpg

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  keep.  —&#8288;Scotty Wong &#8288;— 02:00, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

File talk:688 Club logo.jpg

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Talk page of locally deleted file that contains no discussions. Tagged with G8-exempt and not eligible for speedy deletion. See Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion/Archive 81. Ixfd64 (talk) 20:31, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete There is no reason to tag a page with G8-exempt if it doesn't contain anything. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 20:40, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * "It doesn't contain anything" is patently false. It contains a WikiProject banner.  Were they consulted?  We've long held that WikiProjects alone are to be the arbiter of what's appropriate to a WP.  We're now saying that other project areas are entitled to exercise unilateral veto power on account of their local consensus?  Sounds like a hijacking to me. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions  21:20, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think the statement We've long held that WikiProjects alone are to be the arbiter of what's appropriate to a WP. is totally accurate. WikiProjects can, for sure, provide valuable guidance when it comes to sorting out issues, but a consensus achieved at a WikiProject is also a local consensus and it can't supersede a community consensus. Is there's any value to keeping this talk page other than it has a WikirRoject banner on it? The G8-exempt template was added by back in 2015 and maybe there was a reason for doing so back then that no longer applies. File talk pages (even ones tagged with G8-exempt) often end up deleted when the corresponding file is deleted if the reviewing admin feels there's no value to keeping the talk page. This file was originally uploaded as non-free content, but it was deleted per WP:F8 by Miniapolis after the file was moved to Commons in 2015. I've posted a Please see about this discussion on Miniapolis's user talk page; perhaps they will comment and help clarify things. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:59, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping, . I used to delete pages like this until I was told in no uncertain terms by that, according to WP:G8 (which is policy), they should be kept. The project tag was placed in 2008 by, who hasn't edited here since late last year. I don't see why pages like this need to be kept, and it may be time to open a discussion at WP:VPP. All the best,  Mini  apolis  23:40, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The policy states "This criterion excludes any page that is useful to Wikipedia, and in particular: [among other things] Talk pages for files that exist on Wikimedia Commons" and that's what this talk page is. So policy states that it should be kept. — Diannaa (talk) 00:28, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Neutralized my vote after this discussion. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:12, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per 's and 's comments above. While its encyclopedic value seem sketchy, WP:G8 does list this file talk page as a type of page that qualifies for G8-exempt; so, there's not a strong policy based reason for deleting the page even via MfD, unless someone wants to try and argue WP:IAR should be applied in this particular case. Although I don't agree that nominating the page for deletion here at MfD qualifies as a kind of "hijacking" in any way, the consensus to keep pages such as this is a community one that appears to be well established. Of course, there's always WP:CCC, but that should be something discussed at WT:CSD, WT:DELETE or even WP:VPP. For reference, a previous attempt to do such a thing at WT:CSD did not establish a new consensus for any such change. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:44, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Looks like a bit touched F8 IIRC. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:30, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep as per User:Diannaa and User:Miniapolis. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:12, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep I disagree with some of the keep arguments; "this page should be kept because it isn't a valid WP:CSD" is an argument to not speedy, but it isn't an argument to not delete via MfD. On the other hand, this does appear to be the appropriate place for the WikiProject tag; I think it would be valid to place one of those on the talk page for a Commons file with no local description page, so the fact that there was a local description page (that got deleted) shouldn't be relevant. (This is a different situation from when, say, an article gets deleted; deleting a local description page for a file doesn't delete the file in much the same way as deleting a userpage doesn't block the user.) We wouldn't delete the information on the relationship between the WikiProject and file in Wikipedia:-space, so why do it in File talk:-space? --ais523 11:53, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
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