Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/James Arthur Ray




 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  '''Speedily closed. This is the wrong venue for this discussion, please refile at articles for deletion''' TN X Man  03:06, 30 October 2009 (UTC) This page is not really a biography. It is more a collection of news accounts on one event in Mr. Ray's life. It does not present an extensive, unbiased description of this man's life (even the information on the event in question appears to be one-sided). As presented, it is akin to readers finding Senator Edward Kennedy's page and except for a few lines, the entire biography page is devoted to the Chappaquiddick incident, overlooking the various other aspects of his life, such as family, his charitable work or his years of service as a US senator. Perhaps this page might be better placed as a wiki page on the event itself, rather than presented as a biography? Thanks. Beth9000 (talk) 06:44, 29 October 2009 (UTC)beth9000
 * Strong Keep / Possible Move - Nominating this article for deletion is absurd.  Since it is as you say primarily about the sweat lodge deaths, it should be renamed.  --George100 (talk) 07:31, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep Nearly every source of the many sources has Ray cited in it. He is the key subject of the homicide investigation. Too early to move.  Delete is absurd. Zulu Papa 5 ☆ (talk) 14:19, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep The article is mostly about the sweat lodge deaths at the moment because there are few or no good third party sources on Ray and his work, just hype from Ray himself. There isn't much to say about him. I don't think the sweat lodge affair needs to be broken out into a new article, unless it turns out that Ray is not the main focus. Brianyoumans (talk) 16:03, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Must Keep Wikipedia stands to lose all its credibility in my book and surely in the books of many others. Bowing to the pressures of Ray's luxuriously paid lawyers and one-track followers thereby depriving the rest of the world with the news about what led up to the Sweat Lodge and what happened and didn't happen inside and after is information. Information is knowledge. And freedom.  Ted Kennedy and Chappaquiddick?  Sure, if this were one month after Chappaquiddick you can be sure that Ted K's page would be filled with that event including what led up to it and what followed  -- as happened in the press all over the world.  The fact that this is a relatively small portion of his Wikipedia page is because he devoted the rest of his life to making amends and trying to do the right thing.  James A. Ray's involvement in this fiasco is not incidental.  He is central to it.  He attracted it, created it, and is the one.  I doubt that I, for one, would ever take any Wikipedia page seriously again if you were to delete this page. --User: Oxxie Moron 21:53 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.