Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/People Portals A-C

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 23:43, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

People Portals A-C


Individual people do not, as a class, qualify for the depth and scope required in WP:POG as clarified by the community in the following MFDs. We have found even big stars like Portal:Brandy Norwood lack the scope required for a Portal topic. Portals are generally problematic as they are either not maintained old versions of the article or navbox based automatic error generating junk.

This is what I believe to be a comprehensive list of the single person portals brought to MFD in 2019. They were created by a variety of users at various times, some are old abandoned pages and others are recent automatic creations. This list is based on the Miscellany_for_deletion/Archived_debates with all the individual people extracted. Yet to be closed or archived (as of April 9) discussions are not listed.


 * 1) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Kenny Rogers‎
 * 2) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Ellen DeGeneres
 * 3) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Alfred Nobel (: delete)
 * 4) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Kazi Nazrul Islam (2nd nomination) (: delete)
 * 5) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Nehru–Gandhi family (: Delete)
 * 6) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Shina (: Delete)
 * 7) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Lexa (: Delete)
 * 8) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Chaka Khan (delete)
 * 9) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Robert Schumann (delete)
 * 10) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Yo-Yo Ma (: delete)
 * 11) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Amy Winehouse (: delete)
 * 12) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Chrisye (: delete)
 * 13) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Benny Goodman (2nd nomination) (: delete)
 * 14) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Brandy Norwood (: delete)
 * 15) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:David Guetta (: delete)
 * 16) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Bobby Vinton (: delete)
 * 17) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Marco Pierre White (: delete)
 * 18) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Enrique Iglesias (: delete)
 * 19) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:LeBron James (: delete)
 * 20) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Spartacus (: delete)
 * 21) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Felix Mendelssohn (: delete)
 * 22) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Bill Cosby (: delete)
 * 23) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:R. Kelly (: delete)
 * 24) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Andrew Cuomo (: delete)
 * 25) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Roger Moore (: delete)
 * 26) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Hubert Humphrey (: delete)
 * 27) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Jane Goodall (: delete)
 * 28) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Alexz Johnson (: Delete)
 * 29) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Billy the Kid (: Delete)
 * 30) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Peter Madsen (: Delete)
 * 31) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Jagadguru Rambhadracharya (: Delete)
 * 32) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Al Jolson (: delete)
 * 33) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Aaron Sorkin (: delete)
 * 34) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Alieu Ebrima Cham Joof (: Delete)
 * 35) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Virginia Woolf (: Delete)
 * 36) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:A. H. Belo (: delete)
 * 37) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Alexander Litvinenko (: delete)
 * 38) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Jerome K. Jerome (: delete)
 * 39) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Dmitri Mendeleev (: delete)
 * 40) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (: Delete)
 * 41) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Kelly Hyman (: delete)
 * 42) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Adam Ant (:   delete)

Excluded are very influential historical figures like Portal:Jesus and any US President like Portal:Barack Obama because they deserve to be considered separately. The community does not need to spend time debating portals on individuals anymore as the results above clearly show consensus has been reached.

Discussion

 * Delete all I created this nomination. Legacypac (talk) 21:52, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * But, even Björk? ♥♥♥ In all seriousness, WikiProject Björk has 350+ pages. I don't see harm in keeping, and I'm sure there are others here worth keeping as well. I think nominating so many together was a mistake, but we'll see what happens. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:15, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Be happy I did not do A-Z! How about this, if two users want to pull a name from the list I'll strike it and we can have a seperate discussion. That will balance between this becoming a trainwreck and having to hold a whole bunch more MfDs page by page that will go like the last 44.  That work for you? Legacypac (talk) 00:56, 11 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment – I disagree with the generalized notion that biographical portals should automatically qualify for deletion, and feel that some should be discussed on a case-by-case basis, particularly the portals that were manually created, such as Portal:Björk. It's also a slippery slope to declare consensus so quickly, particularly when many MfD discussions have been based upon automated portals. Some users may be for the deletion of automated portals as a default, but not necessarily for the deletion of all biographical portals, sans a few for high-profile individuals, as a default. I'm not nearly as concerned about the deletion of portals that were created as fully-automated. North America1000 01:55, 11 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment After this nomination was created two single person portal discussions have closed as keep, but they were not without strong support to delete: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Aretha Franklin and Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Adele. Hopefully this nomination will help clarify something we can encode into WP:POG. The selection criteria here is every single person page sorted in Category:All portals not already nominated for deletion (the sorting seems to follow last name sometimes and first name other times). This is not about whose music someone likes but about what is an appropriate portal scope. Legacypac (talk) 02:07, 11 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep A. R. Rahman. This person is popular in India and portal has significant content and has useful links in the subcategories section. Mr. Smart  LION  05:25, 11 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete all - By WP:POG portals should be panes for a vast content. Portals for single biographies fail in WP:POG. The vast majority of portals do not receive actual content for years. Fan-created, after abandoned, do not arouse community interest. Single biography portals are very distant from the main page according to Portals tree and they present the same content of the article, but with a big difference in the number of page views.Guilherme Burn (talk) 11:22, 11 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete all - Why have a portal when the biography for the people themselves do the job already? What a gross misuse of the Portal mainspace... –eggofreason(talk &middot; contribs) 14:39, 11 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete all - WP:POG states "portals should be about broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers." I don't see how most single people really count as a 'broad subject area' unless they are exceptionally influential. If the article scope of a person is too big for a single navbox, then I could see a portal being required - however in general I don't think most single people have that many articles related to them. Meszzy2  (talk) 17:44, 11 April 2019 (UTC)


 * An extreme example not part of this nomination, but look at Portal:Donald Trump which has a lousy 1200 odd views in the last 30 days which shows readers don't find the portal useful. I've seen blogs about random stuff with much higher readership. It has a broken section header showing a ((1)). The intro is of course about Trump but the featured article is also Donald Trump and shows similar info to the intro. If we can't even have an error free portal on the most well known human right now, why do we need bio portals at all? Legacypac (talk) 18:15, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete all except Portal:Azad Kashmir, which is a region not a person. (@Legacypac, please strike it from the nom).
 * Single person portals fail the WP:POG criterion of "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers". As a result, they are poorly maintained or unmaintained, which has led to many of them being converted to an automated for,mat which merely duplicates the navbox in a bloated form, with much less utility than the navbox because:
 * the navbox displays a full list of the articles, but the portal displays only one page at a time.
 * the navbox should be present on every page in the set. The portal always requires navigation to a separate page.
 * The topic's main page works much better as a navigational hub, because it includes:
 * both the topic navbox and any related navboxes
 * A full summary of the topic rather than an excerpt of the lede.
 * The pageview data is also damning. See the |Portal:Eddy_Arnold|Portal:Barry_Goldwater|Portal:Benjamin_Franklin|Portal:BoA|Portal:Brian_Greene|Portal:Bruce_Lee|Portal:Charles_Dickens|Portal:Claude_Monet|Portal:Cristian_Castro pageviews for the first 3 months of 2019, for every sixth portal in the list. As you can see, the median daily viewing rate for the combined set of 10 pages is 57. i.e. 5.7 pageviews per portal per day.
 * The highest median view rate for any those ten portals is Portal:Charles Dickens, which gets a daily average of only 16 portals .. while the head article Charles Dickens get a daily average of 5,471. In other words, the head article is viewed 348 times for every view of the Portal.
 * Yet again, the evidence is clear that readers simply do not want to use these narrow-scope portal. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:21, 12 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete all except struck ones.   SITH   (talk)   18:09, 12 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment – There are now two separate nominations occurring simultaneously at this time for Portal:Celine Dion, both here and at Miscellany for deletion/Music Portals by Moxy. North America1000 23:11, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
 * This one came first. Built off two different lists. Cross reference Portal:Cheese dishes Legacypac (talk) 23:23, 12 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep Charles Dickens and possibly others. Per many previous discussions (and the two kept individual-person portals Legacypac mentions above) I don't agree that individual people never merit portals, though there must be sufficient high-quality content to support a portal, as well as a lack of BLP concerns. This appears to be the case for Dickens, where there's a large body of works which continue to be the subject of considerable academic interest, as well as frequent television/film adaptations, and considerable ongoing interest in his biography nearly 150 years after his death. This is a hand-created portal dating to 2007. I am sure that there are several other hand-created portals in this list that also have sufficient content. Espresso Addict (talk) 02:16, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I think this nomination is trying to bundle rather too many disparate topics together, and I'm not sure about deleting several of the ones on the list. I suggest we keep Portal:Charles Dickens since he is one of the most influential writers in the English language and a significant historical figure, and we have a fair number of articles about his life and works. I think Portal:Che Guevara and Portal:Claude Monet may well be suitable topics for portals but I'm not going to support keeping them because they were both automatically created by TTH. I'm OK with the rest being deleted, I particularly don't think we should have portals on musicians or actors where the only scope is their work.  Hut 8.5  11:06, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I've struck Mr Dickens as there is a reasonable argument for his portal. Legacypac (talk) 11:29, 14 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete these portals


 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-17 01:46:40, to be deleted: Portal:Abbas Kiarostami
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-09-12 09:41:28, to be deleted: Portal:Akira Kurosawa
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-09-08 23:52:23, to be deleted: Portal:Alan Moore
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-11-26 18:00:51, to be deleted: Portal:Alan Turing
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-27 00:22:41, to be deleted: Portal:Alexander Graham Bell
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-09-04 08:08:44, to be deleted: Portal:Alexander Hamilton
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-30 00:47:32, to be deleted: Portal:Herb Alpert
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-09-09 05:50:16, to be deleted: Portal:Anne Frank
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-27 00:25:51, to be deleted: Portal:Antonie van Leeuwenhoek
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-30 02:37:36, to be deleted: Portal:Eddy Arnold
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-09-12 09:20:44, to be deleted: Portal:Auguste Rodin
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-30 02:42:26, to be deleted: Portal:Gene Autry
 * - Automated portal, 17 subpages, created 2019-01-11 01:55:16, to be deleted: Portal:Iggy Azalea
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-30 13:16:18, to be deleted: Portal:Joan Baez
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-09-04 10:01:22, to be deleted: Portal:Barry Goldwater
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-30 13:15:27, to be deleted: Portal:Jeff Beck
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-30 00:47:09, to be deleted: Portal:Harry Belafonte
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-11-29 04:53:41, to be deleted: Portal:Belo Horizonte
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-12-05 09:47:03, to be deleted: Portal:Ben Affleck
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-29 05:14:50, to be deleted: Portal:Pat Benatar
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-09-04 12:04:10, to be deleted: Portal:Benjamin Franklin
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-31 01:02:58, to be deleted: Portal:Tony Bennett
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-30 07:06:54, to be deleted: Portal:Leonard Bernstein
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-29 16:12:47, to be deleted: Portal:Chuck Berry
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-09-09 22:57:25, to be deleted: Portal:Enid Blyton
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-09-09 06:32:39, to be deleted: Portal:BoA
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-30 00:32:38, to be deleted: Portal:Andrea Bocelli
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-30 07:12:47, to be deleted: Portal:Michael Bolton
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-29 19:39:13, to be deleted: Portal:David Bowie
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-09-09 06:22:57, to be deleted: Portal:Billy Bragg
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2019-01-02 01:42:29, to be deleted: Portal:Toni Braxton
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-27 00:26:51, to be deleted: Portal:Brian Greene
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-09-09 06:32:50, to be deleted: Portal:Bridgit Mendler
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-09-09 00:35:53, to be deleted: Portal:Mel Brooks
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2019-01-16 22:46:52, to be deleted: Portal:Chris Brown
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-30 07:15:45, to be deleted: Portal:James Brown
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-16 04:57:47, to be deleted: Portal:Bruce Lee
 * - Old portal, 12 subpages, created 2010-01-06 19:39:07 by User:Moxy at some request. No more maintained : Portal:Bryan Adams
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-27 00:12:01, to be deleted: Portal:Bill Bryson
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-27 10:15:56, to be deleted: Portal:Glen Campbell
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-12-30 04:19:24, to be deleted: Portal:Cardi B
 * - Old portal, 13 subpages, created 2010-01-05 04:15:52 by User:Moxy at some request. No more maintained : Portal:Celine Dion
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-09-12 09:41:25, to be deleted: Portal:Charlie Chaplin
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-09-12 10:37:24, to be deleted: Portal:Che Guevara
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-09-09 07:17:38, to be deleted: Portal:Christopher Whall
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-30 02:40:12, to be deleted: Portal:Eric Clapton
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-09-12 09:20:39, to be deleted: Portal:Claude Monet
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-09-09 00:35:40, to be deleted: Portal:Clint Eastwood
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-09-09 07:35:20, to be deleted: Portal:Cole Porter
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-27 17:08:33, to be deleted: Portal:Nat King Cole
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-27 17:08:16, to be deleted: Portal:Natalie Cole
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-29 16:12:04, to be deleted: Portal:Phil Collins
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-12-30 17:40:09, to be deleted: Portal:Sean Combs
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-30 00:47:26, to be deleted: Portal:Harry Connick Jr.
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-26 23:58:05, to be deleted: Portal:Alice Cooper
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-09-04 07:23:33, to be deleted: Portal:Cyrus the Great
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-08-29 05:16:00, to be deleted: Portal:Bing Crosby
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-12-31 18:24:31, to be deleted: Portal:Tom Cruise
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-09-09 21:45:41, to be deleted: Portal:Cristian Castro


 * Pldx1 (talk) 12:59, 14 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment 
 * - Old portal, 13 subpages, created 2016-03-30 08:49:12 by User:Mr. Smart LION. A comment by a maintainer, if any, could make the day. Portal:A. R. Rahman
 * - Old portal, 29 subpages, created 2010-03-02 23:58:54 by User:FranklinG. A comment by a maintainer, if any, could make the day. Portal:Christina Aguilera
 * - Old portal, 37 subpages, created 2010-09-13 18:58:23 by User:Another Believer. A comment by a maintainer, if any, could make the day. Portal:Björk
 * - Old portal, 11 subpages, created 2010-02-28 18:00:22 by User:FranklinG. A comment by a maintainer, if any, could make the day. Portal:Britney Spears
 * - Old portal, 30 subpages, created 2010-04-06 20:38:44 by User:Esss. A comment by a maintainer, if any, could make the day. Portal:Cher
 * - Please remember that a maintainer is someone who stepped forward and put her name in the Portal maintenance status template, atop of the portal's page. this line added 13:08, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Pldx1 (talk) 12:59, 14 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment about the Portal:Donald Trump used above as an example.
 * Did You Know that the Trump news tracker is implemented by ?
 * Did You Know that the Selected quotes was created 26 September 2016‎, and was never modified til now, except from (1) replacing Portal:Donald Trump/box-footer by Box-footer; (2) suggesting to include the grab them by the pussy citation, with no ensuing decision.
 * Great example indeed ! Pldx1 (talk) 13:38, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I have added maintainer (me) to A. R. Rahman. Mr. Smart  LION  14:08, 14 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Procedural Keep All - I don't plan to sort out an imperfect list that is known to have issues and overlaps other noms. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:43, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete all these None of these meet WP:POG's breadth-of-subject-area requirement. UnitedStatesian (talk) 01:14, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Portal:Claude Monet, Portal:Benjamin Franklin and Portal:Alan Turing as all are highly viewed and are of highly notable persons. Gazamp (talk) 16:53, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment: I hope A. R. Rahman portal is also kept as it is viewed as much as the above three mentioned portals. Mr. Smart  LION  18:04, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * If you want to keep the portal page, you'd have done better to leave the pageviews right out of the discussion, and hope that nobody actually checked.
 * In the period January–February 2019, Portal:A. R. Rahman had a total of 1,718 pageviews.
 * In the same period, the head article A. R. Rahman had a total of 599,865 pageviews.
 * That's 349 views of the head article for every view of the portal. As usual, readers overwhelmingly prefer to use the article as a navigational hub. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 18:59, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The portal has 29/day views, which are not at all less for a portal and it is clear that readers are interested to view the portal. These views are higher than Portal:Barack Obama and Portal:Jesus. Mr. Smart  LION  06:50, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * 349 views of the head article for every view of the portal == very very clear that readers are overwhelmingly not interested to view the portal.
 * The fact that other portals attract even less interest is grounds for deleting them too, not for keeping this one. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 22:56, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
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