Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Ankara

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:58, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Ankara


Abandoned mini-portal on the Turkish capital city of Ankara. Same set of only 6 articles since 2015.

Created in January 2015‎ by, whose last edit to this portal was 3 days later. The lead of WP:POG has said since late 2006 "Do not create a portal if you do not intend to assist in its regular maintenance", but that has not happened here.

Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Ankara shows a modest set of sub-pages, including:
 * Portal:Ankara/Selected article/1, Portal:Ankara/Selected article/2, Portal:Ankara/Selected biography, Portal:Ankara/Selected biography/4. All created in January 2015 by @Lubunya.
 * biography/1, biography/2 and biography/3 were all created in by May 2015‎.  No new topics since then.
 * Portal:Ankara/Did you know. Nothing to do with WP:DYK. Just a trivia section.

In theory, this major city a broad topic. But in practice, like most city portals, it has not met the WP:POG requirement that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers". In Jan–Feb 2019 it got only 3 pageviews per day, which is barely above the background noise of views by Wikipedia editors. It's less than a quarter of the abysmal median of 13 per day for all portals, but still well under 0.5% of the 1,202 daily views of the head article. And for 4 years it has consistently failed to attract maintainers, which is why it languishes with a miserable set of only 6 topics.

Per WP:PORTAL, "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". But this is massively less useful in every respect than the head article Ankara and its excellent navbox Template:Ankara.

Two newish features of the Wikimedia software means that the article and navbox offers all the functionality which portals like this set out to offer. Both features are available only to ordinary readers who are not logged in, but you can test them without logging out by right-clicking on a link, and the select "open in private window" (in Firefox) or "open in incognito window" (Chrome).
 * 1) mouseover: on any link, mouseover shows you the picture and the start of the lead.  So the preview-selected page-function of portals is redundant: something almost as good is available automatically on any navbox or other set of links.  Try it on e.g. Template:Ankara
 * 2) automatic imagery galleries: clicking on an image brings up an image gallery of all the images on that page. It's full-screen, so it's actually much better than  a click-for-next image gallery on a portal.   Try it by right-clicking on the article Ankara.

Similar features have been available since 2015 to users of Wikipedia's Android app.

That sets a high bar for any would-be-portal-builder to vault if they try to satisfy the WP:PORTAL principle that "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". It would take a lot of work to make a portal which genuinely offers more than the head article Ankara with its navbox Ankara.

But maybe someone will find a way to make such a better portal, and a team of editors to maintain it ... so I propose that this portal and its sub-pages be deleted per WP:TNT, without prejudice to recreating a curated portal in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:53, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - Abandoned draft of a portal, 27 subpages, created 2015-01-08 12:15:21 by User:Lubunya. Never went alive. Nothing to keep. Portal:Ankara. Pldx1 (talk) 13:03, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as per analysis by BHG. The idea that a big city or a capital city is a "broad subject area" may seem plausible a priori, but it has been seen a posteriori that they don't attract large numbers of readers or portal maintainers.  Robert McClenon (talk) 14:32, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Abandoned? Check.  Of questionable scope?  Check.    SITH   (talk)   11:26, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.