Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Armadillos

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete all except Portal:Fraud, which was withdrawn. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 04:11, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Armadillos

 * - Nom. Withdrawn by nominator per WP:SNOW. UnitedStatesian (talk) (timestamp below)
 * – (View MfD)
 * (convenience links: subject articles Armadillo, Camila Cabello, Discrete geometry, Fraud, Occupational safety and health)
 * (WikiProject Occupational Safety and Health courtesy talkpage notified)
 * – (View MfD)
 * (convenience links: subject articles Armadillo, Camila Cabello, Discrete geometry, Fraud, Occupational safety and health)
 * (WikiProject Occupational Safety and Health courtesy talkpage notified)

Delete Five more one-click-created-and-since-unupdated single-page "portals" that 1) suffer from all the shortcomings of that class of "portals" and 2) do not meet the breadth-of-subject-area requirements of the WP:POG guideline. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:08, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete all.—NØ 15:35, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep "Fraud" and "Occupational safety and health", delete the rest. Occupational safety and fraud are both broad enough subjects to keep. (Note: I created the Fraud portal.) &thinsp;&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)&thinsp; 18:08, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Procedural Close - The subject matter of these portals is sufficiently different that they have different breadth-of-subject-area considerations. Unless the sort of detailed analysis that BHG has provided in her packages can be provided, it is better, as Mr. Guye says, to consider them separately.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:37, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * @Robert McClenon, does my analysis below tempt you to reconsider? -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 22:14, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete all except Fraud, which needs separate scrutiny. The Fraud portal has multiple sources for its article list.  I haven't evaluated the appropriateness of that selection, but it deserves a separate discussion.
 * However, each of the other 4 is indeed narrow topic pseudo-portal. Each is a single-click-created automated portal drawing its selected articles list from a single page:
 * Portal:Armadillos, based on the article Armadillo
 * Portal:Camila Cabello, based on the navbox Template:Camila Cabello
 * Portal:Discrete geometry, based on the article Discrete geometry
 * Portal:Occupational safety and health, based on the navbox Template:Occupational safety and health
 * The two which use a navbox have exactly the same vice as all the many similar creations by the @The Transhumanist, (aka TTH, aka the portalspammer): they are simply bloated forks of the navbox.  (For a full explanation of why this type  of portal is redundant, see the two mass deletions of similar portals: one, and two, where there was overwhelming consensus of a very high turnout to delete a total of 2,555 such portals).
 * The other two, which use the head article, share all the vices of the navbox-derived pair, but are actually much worse. Navboxes are designed as a  set of links to  articles closely-related to the core topic ... but the links in the head article may be to any variety of related topic.  So portals created this way are a lucky dip: the article list may at best be a random selection of vaguely on topic articles, but may also be a pile of junk.  For an example of a junk-portal made this way, see Portal:Lusaka, currently being discussed at WP:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Lusaka.    Five of the seven selected articles there have no place in the list. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 22:11, 30 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete Armadillos, Camila Cabello, and Discrete geometry as per analysis by User:BrownHairedGirl. I will defer the analysis of Occupational Safety and Health to an IT engineer with experience testing occupational safety and health software, and will defer assessment of Fraud.  Robert McClenon (talk) 23:32, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - But be very careful with any dead armadillos resulting from the deletion. A DYK that isn't mentioned by that portal is that picking up dead armadillos is even worse than it sounds.  You can get Hansen's disease from them.  That isn't occupational safety and health. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:34, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. I wrote a long reply analysing these yesterday but lost it and could not be bothered to retype. The summary was that they are all very diverse, but only Fraud seems to me sufficiently different from the existing consensus to be worth investigating separately. I see this is the conclusion that has come to independently. Could we therefore agree to debundle Fraud? Espresso Addict (talk) 07:13, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment on Fraud: If we're not going to debundle Fraud, my urgent problem with it as it stands is the BLP concern of stripping sources from BLPs while identifying them as having committed a crime. I'd suggest at minimum removing the source List of fraudsters, as I don't think the Lua module can be relied upon to recognise & exclude articles covered by the BLP policy. (I have no idea of whether this is technically feasible, and would point out that a death date &c is not sufficient, as practice on the main page and by extension other portals is to continue to adhere to BLP policy for all recently deceased people; further, non-biographies, such as articles that describe frauds and mention perpetrators would also be covered.) The list could be included by hand, excluding living people. I will also bring up this problem at the list article as I realise its sourcing leaves something to the imagination. Espresso Addict (talk) 11:22, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Good catch, @Espresso Addict. I have disabled the List of fraudsters as a selected-articles-source for Portal:Fraud pending further discussion. I urge @UnitedStatesian to debundle that one from this set ASAP.   It really does need closer attention. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 11:40, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I've hidden all the living people in the source list as a quick option, but actually they really need removing entirely. Most will be sourced in the linked article (one hopes) but his kind of list is a BLP nightmare. Which makes me wonder how the Lua code handles hidden entries, as that is widely used to hide unsourced controversial material rather than removing it. Espresso Addict (talk) 11:57, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm much more comfortable getting the unchanged MfD to closure by an admin., given all the drama I have observed resulting from modifications to MfDs while they are going on. Plus I think my guideline-related nom. reason applies to the fraud portal anyway. UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:25, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The brouhaha is usually over added items, not subtracted ones, surely? Espresso Addict (talk) 18:14, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I concur with here. Only a single individual cast their !vote in favor of deleting P:Fraud, and that was way before consensus turned remarkably against its inclusion here. The majority of us would be glad to see that withdrawn per WP:SNOW. &#8211;  MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 22:18, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. UnitedStatesian (talk) 12:37, 2 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete all except Fraud per everyone else. Waggers</b><small  style="color:#080">TALK  08:43, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete the following four as useless navigation tool, redundant to the existing articles and navboxes, and of lower quality
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-12-05 08:27:22 by User:TTH, : Portal:Armadillos
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2019-02-10 17:55:45 by User:H9v9n9, Portal:Camila Cabello
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2019-01-03 07:56:02 by User:TTH, Portal:Discrete geometry
 * - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-11-01 15:08:37 by User:Pbsouthwood, Portal:Occupational safety and health
 * Pldx1 (talk) 11:10, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Unbundle this one - Maintained,  0 subpages, -- created 2019-02-16 06:16:02 by User:Mr. Guye, maintained by User:Mr. Guye. This one is another kind of animal than the other 4. To be nominated separately (no more specific homework done about this portal).  : Portal:Fraud. Pldx1 (talk) 11:10, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I had a really cool one-liner prepared were I ever to nominate Portal:Fraud. Delete all except Faud per above. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 16:11, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Mind the interested reader that the above link has a timestamp of 26 April 2019, but re-started curation of Portal:Fraud on 18:14, 30 April 2019‎. That should give more of a sense where I was coming from with that. &#8211;  MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 16:16, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Portal:Occupational safety and health, after analysis, as per analysis by BHG. Earlier 3 !votes to Delete are unchanged.  Robert McClenon (talk) 14:24, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.