Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Australian Capital Territory

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 06:18, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Australian Capital Territory

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Neglected portal. So yeah, I don't think this portal meets WP:POG. ToThAc (talk) 20:24, 11 September 2019 (UTC) Metrics for Australian portals follow.
 * Eleven selected articles; four are featured, but the rest are B-class or lower.
 * Maintained by the creator for only two days; they last edited in September 2018. No one else has actively maintained this portal.
 * Average daily pageviews in the first half of 2019 are 9 for the portal versus 723 for the parent article and 2431 for "aunt article" Canberra, or 1.2448% and .3702%, respectively.
 * One more note: As widely known as Canberra and ACT are at the national (and to a lesser extent, global) level, I think Washington, D.C. is arguably the better-known national capital and thus the broader topic matter. However, that article's corresponding portal didn't survive its most recent MfD, and Portal:District of Columbia doesn't exist either.
 * Note to closing admin. I don't want in any way to prejudge the outcome ... but if you close this discussion as delete, please can you not remove the backlinks?  I have an AWB setup which allows me to easily replace them with links to the next most specific portal(s) (in this case Portal:Australia), without creating duplicate entries. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 23:24, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per the nom. Too narrow a topic (six months of MfD has shown that sub-national regions hardly if ever are broad enough to sustain a portal), not maintained, low readership, which adds up to a clear fail of the WP:POG requirement that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers". I oppose re-creation, as a decade of hard evidence shows Australian Capital Territory is not a broad enough topic to attract readers or maintainers. Newshunter12 (talk) 03:04, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Australian Portal Metrics

 * Comment - I will point out that most of the Australian state portals have low pageviews, too few articles, and little or no maintenance. The national portal Portal:Australia is a well-viewed portal with many articles but is not maintained.  It would be a good idea for portal advocates to look over this list now and be prepared to improve and defend any portals so as not to be obviously panicking.  All of the Canadian provincial portals have been deleted.  Many portals for states of the United States and states of India have been deleted.  The closest comparison is probably provinces of Canada.  Just a comment at this time.  Robert McClenon (talk) 12:51, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * @Robert McClenon, my experience is that when an Aussie page is nominated for deletion or renaming, and some Aussies dislike that, there is likely to be an angry and accusatory group of them arriving at once. It has been very notable that this hasn't happened at the MFDs of Australian portals, e.g. MFD:Australian state capitals.
 * I take that as evidence of lack of interest. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 09:48, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Maybe Australians have the common sense not to create any clockwise hurricanes about portals. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:43, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Discussion of Capital Territory
Robert McClenon (talk) 04:34, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - Low readership, no maintenance of eleven articles in five years.
 * Note to closing admin. I don't want in any way to prejudge the outcome ... but if you close this discussion as delete, please can you not remove the backlinks?  I have an AWB setup which allows me to easily replace them with links to the next most specific portal(s) (in this case Portal:Australia), without creating duplicate entries. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 04:48, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, and oppose re-creation. Narrow topic + low readership + poor maintenance = clear fail of the WP:POG requirement that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers".
 * POG also guides that "the portal should be associated with a WikiProject (or have editors with sufficient interest)[1] to help ensure a supply of new material for the portal and maintain the portal.". However WP:WikiProject Canberra doesn't look very active; its last discussion of an on-wiki topic was    in 2015. The project seems never to have shown any interest in the portal: I can find no mention in the talk page or its archives of Portal:Canberra", "Portal:ACT" or "Portal:Australian Capital Territory".  And the Portal talk:Australian Capital Territory contains only one post, an automated msg by TTH. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 04:58, 12 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment - why has this not been notified at the Deletion Wikiproject for Australia? Also, I think some of the statistics in the table above are out of date - e.g. the NSW Portal has 17 featured articles, has had news updated and was edited this year (by me). It feels like there are a couple of users out to just delete all of these things without notifying the users who are actually from the places involved. Bookscale (talk) 02:26, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * AGF please, . It has been listed in WP:WikiProject Australia/Article alerts since 8am UTC on 12 Sept, and on WP:WikiProject Canberra/Article alerts since the same time. If some editors chose not to follow the Article Alerts pages, it's not fair to blame XFD nominators for that choice. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 09:54, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Bookscale - Portal:New South Wales hasn't been nominated for deletion. The Australian state portal metrics are provided as of the last time that I checked the portals, for comparison to Portal:Australian Capital Territory.  Robert McClenon (talk) 13:49, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Bookscale (talk) 02:29, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.