Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Bihar

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:22, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Bihar

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Abandoned portal on the Indian state of Bihar, with very low readership. Created in 2008, then abandoned after the addition of 14 sub-topics in 2011, apart from the usual 2018 layout tweaking to the main page. WP has poor coverage of the topic area.

The portal has some glaring errors, such as /Selected biography/12, which says that Nikhil Kumar "is the current Governor of Kerala", even though he left office in 2014. The news page serves up 7-year-old news under today's date. The "Did You know" is all fake.

This portal was created on 8 October 2008‎ by, whose last edit to the portal was only 5 hours later. (See Devesh.bhatta's portal-space contribs). Since late 2006, the lead of WP:POG has warned "Do not expect other editors to maintain a portal you create", but Devesh.bhatta did not follow that guidance.

Whatever Devesh.bhatta's reasons for so rapidly abandoning their creation with only one picture, one biog, and one article, portals need maintenance. Portal:Bihar had some limited maintenance in the first few years, then one round of expansion in 2011 (mostly by ), but no maintenance thereafter.

Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Bihar shows a modest set of sub-pages: /Selected articles/2, untouched since its creation in 2011 by. /2, /3, /4, /5, /6, /7, /8, /9, /10, /11, /12, /13, and /14 were all crated in 2011. Most them have had a few edits since then for disambiguation etc, but the only substantive edit to any of them is a 2013 update to /12. The info added in that update became outdated a year later, and has been wrong for the last five years. If any editor had wanted to maintain the portal, they could have viewed the excerpts for all 14 biog pages at Portal:Bihar/Selected biography.
 * /Selected articles/1, created in 2008, with five edits thereafter, the last in 2011.
 * /Selected biography/1, created in 2008, with about ten edits until 2011. Then only one dab, in 2019.
 * Portal:Bihar/News is headed "Today is September 16, 2019", and then lists 7 news items prefixed by month and day, but no year. So the reader would reasonably assume that they link to the current year ... but no, they are from 2012 and 2011.
 * Portal:Bihar/Did you know has since 2016 contained 5 items, after 4 were removed in 2016.  None of the items ever displayed on this page has ever been part of the WP:DYK process, where text and sources are carefully scrutinised.  They are just random factoids which usurp the good name of WP:DYK to mislead readers about the provenance of the entries, and to create a WP:TRIVIA section, and they are now all quite old and possibly outdated.

This neglect is presumably why the portal was "restarted" in September 2018‎ by @The Transhumanist (TTH). This "restart" converted the portal into an automated clone tool, which drew its all its selected articles from the navbox Template:Bihar, and made the portal just a bloated version of the navbox, just like the navbox-clone portalspam which was deleted in April in two mass deletions of similar portals (one, and two). So in May 2019 I (BHG) reverted the portal to a pre-automated version.

WP:POG requires that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers". POG also guides that "the portal should be associated with a WikiProject (or have editors with sufficient interest) to help ensure a supply of new material for the portal and maintain the portal". This fails on at least three of the four counts:
 * 1)  Broad topic . Bihar is the 12th-largest state in India, with a land area slightly bigger than the island of Ireland, but a 2011 population of over 100 million.  However, en.wp coverage is thin: Category:WikiProject Bihar articles contains only 2578 articles, and the table at Category:Bihar articles by quality shows that only 8 of those articles are of GA or FA class.  WP:POG requires that articles by "high quality, either a featured article, a good article or one which deals with its subject substantially or comprehensively" ... but the set here is too small to present a balanced set of topics without severe compromises on quality.
 * 2)  High readership .  The portal's January–June 2019 daily average of only 10 views per day is trivially low.
 * 3)  Lots of maintainers . No.  See above.
 * 4)  WikiProject involvement . No. WP:WikiProject Bihar is at best semi-active, and has never shown any interest in the portal.  A search of its archives for "Portal:Bihar" gives zero hits.

After all these years of abandonment, it's time to just delete this portal. Given the scarcity of readers, the complete lack of interest from maintainers, and the lack of suitable content, I also oppose re-creation. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:44, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin. I don't want in any way to prejudge the outcome ... but if you close this discussion as delete, please can you not remove the backlinks?  I have an AWB setup which allows me to easily replace them with links to the next most specific portal(s) (in this case Portal:India), without creating duplicate entries. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 00:48, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per the thorough and highly detailed investigation of the portal by the nominator,  Brown HairedGirl . Portals stand or fall on their merits in the now, not what could someday hypothetically happen with them, and this one falls flat. It's a pointless time suck that lures readers to an eight year long abandoned Bonsai portal and damages Wikipedia's hard won reputation for quality. I oppose re-creation, as over eight years of hard evidence shows Bihar is not a broad enough topic under WP:POG to attract readers or maintainers. This portal is a solution in search of a problem. Newshunter12 (talk) 07:02, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Bihar

 * Delete as per analysis by BHG. Very low readership, too few articles, no maintenance.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:24, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete thsi worthless junk portal.Catfurball (talk) 23:30, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.