Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Buenos Aires

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. MER-C 10:36, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Buenos Aires


Abandoned portal on a narrow topic. WP:POG requires that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers." This portal has neither large numbers of readers and no maintainers. The portal has essentially been abandoned for nearly seven years (the creator is still active on Wikipedia, but last touched it in December 2012, save for a picture they added in the Things to Do section in 2016). The page view count is abysmal. From June 1 - July 30 2019, there was an average of 9 views per day to the main page (while the head article Buenos Aires had 2,369 views per day in the same period.) There is a stark long term downward trend in views - the July and August 2015 portal rate was 25 views per day.

Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Buenos Aires shows of the 10 articles, seven were last updated in 2011 and three in 2012. Of the 11 district or barrio articles, 10 were updated in 2011 and one in 2012. The DYK section was all created and last touched in November 2012, while WP:DYK states: "The DYK section showcases new or expanded articles that are selected through an informal review process. It is not a general trivia section" ... but this seven-year-old set has nothing to do with new or expanded articles, so its only effect is as a WP:TRIVIA section. The picture gallery was last touched at creation in 2011, as was the Things to Do section, save for a cosmetic picture swap in 2016. The city map section was last updated in 2011.

WP:POG also guides that "the portal should be associated with a WikiProject (or have editors with sufficient interest) to help ensure a supply of new material for the portal and maintain the portal.". However, WikiProject Argentina is only semi-active (people still post there, but no actual discussions take place), and it appears to have never had anything meaningful to do with this portal. While the portal creator, Bleff, is listed as a member of the project, they have never once edited the project main page or talk page, and there has never been any mention of this portal on the talk page and it is not currently mentioned on the main page by name.

Furthermore, this abandoned junk portal has no bio or any mention at all of one of Buenos Aires's most famous native sons and longtime residents: Pope Francis. His ascendency to the Papacy in 2013 and reign as Pope has garnered enormous coverage of his life and works, many decades of which happened in Buenos Aires, where he was born and worked his way up the church hierarchy. The complete lack of any mention demonstrates the abject abandonment and decay of this portal into misleading irrelevance. It's time to just Delete it. Newshunter12 (talk) 23:35, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - I concur with the analysis by User:Newshunter12. The failure to update the portal to mention Pope Francis illustrates that it is completely abandoned.  Too few readers and no maintenance.  Perhaps the declining readership is indicative of portals in general.   There is no short-term reason to expect that a re-creation of this portal will address the problems.  Any proposed re-creation of this portal using a more modern design, and taking into account the failures of many portals, can go to Deletion Review. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:15, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator the nominator's very thorough analysis. (Disclosure: the nominator @Newshunter12 posted on my talk  at User talk:BrownHairedGirl (permalink) to suggest that I nominate this portal at MFD.  The analysis was so good and so complete that I that reckoned NH12 had already done all the work, so I suggested that they do the nomination themself. And here it is.)
 * We could have an an interesting theoretical debate on whether a major city is "broad topic" per WP:POG. BA is certainly a big city, as a non-English-speaking city in a non-OECD country it has less coverage  and fewer editors than major English-speaking cities.  When scrutinised at MFD, few similar cities have sustained a portal.
 * But in practice the question is moot. Regardless of whether the topic is seen as broad enough, the problem remains that portals need maintainers ... and this portal has not been maintained for about 7 years. Unless there is a team of maintainers committed to keeping this portal in good shape for the long-term, it will simply rot again, and continue to lure readers away from a fine B-class head article to a rotted portal.
 * This is just another example of how over the last decade, the number of portals expanded far beyond the availability of editors committed to maintaining them, and WikiProjects actively taking them under their wing per WP:POG's guidance that "the portal should be associated with a WikiProject (or have editors with sufficient interest)[1] to help ensure a supply of new material for the portal and maintain the portal". It's notable that despite this portal being listed at WP:WikiProject Argentina/Article alerts since 24 August, the notification has not triggered a single response. Time to just delete this orphan portal. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 22:00, 28 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Note to closing admin. I don't want in any way to prejudge the outcome ... but if you close this discussion as delete, please can you not remove the backlinks?  I have an AWB setup which allows me to easily replace them with links to the next most specific portal(s) (in this case Portal:Argentina), without creating duplicate entries. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 20:53, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete A city is not broad enough of a topic to warrant a portal. SD0001 (talk) 15:12, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.