Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Catalonia

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: Delete. — xaosflux  Talk 17:53, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Catalonia


Fully-automated navbox-based portal, with no non-automated version to restore. It is just a bloated and redundant fork the navbox Catalonia topics. For an explanation of why this type of portal is redundant, see the two mass deletions of similar portals: one, and two, where there was overwhelming consensus of a very high turnout to delete a total of 2,555 such portals.

This page was created in February 2012‎ as a redirect to Portal:Catalan-speaking countries.

The page was converted to an automated navbox-clone portal in December 2018‎ by @The Transhumanist.

It was redirected again to the same target on 22 April 2019‎ by @UnitedStatesian, but that was reverted a day later by @Jacobí. The redirect cannot be restored because the redirect target Portal:Catalan-speaking countries was deleted on 28 April 2019 per WP:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Catalan-speaking countries. And redirecting it to Portal:Spain would be a horribly POV act, because Catalonia is split about 50:50 over whether to be independent from Spain; redirecting the portal to Spain could be viewed as partisan. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:46, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * PS I forgot to include that I propose that this portal be deleted per WP:TNT, without prejudice to recreating a curated portal in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 14:58, 16 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete:
 * The subject may be a country, or it may be a state. We will possibly know better in 2030.
 * The portal has had an average 5 daily page views. The head article has had an average 2600 daily page views.
 * The current portal is redundant, and there is no predecessor and no merge target.
 * Delete this portal without prejudice to a properly developed portal. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:33, 14 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep:
 * I don't undestand the reasons of deletion. Independent or not, region or nation (but that's not the point, Scotland or Wales aren't independent but have their proper portals, and nobody finds this strange), Catalonia is a topic with enough information, articles and popular interest (although not reflected here, due to multiple causes, like the lack of links or the poor updating of the portal itself). I'm agree about the fact it is redundant, but is not an argument of deletion, to the contrary, this indicates that it needs to be improved (any suggestions about that?). We must count how old is this portal: less than 3 months. It is too young yet to judge and it has an enormous potential to grow. I insist, not delete, but improve, specially after the supression of portal:Catalan-speaking countries. --Jacobí (talk) 22:02, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * @Jacobí, I would be happy to accept deletion without prejudice to re-creation of a portal which actually adds value to readers. I usually include that in the nomination, and inadvertently omitted it here.  I will add it now.
 * The main problem is that this automated navbox-clone adds nothing to the head article, thereby failing the core principle of WP:PORTAL: "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects".
 * Creating a portal which actually adds value for readers takes a lot of work. If some editor wants to do that work, and to commit to the ongoing task of maintain it, then the few seconds needed to re-create the shell of a portal are a trivial addition to the many hours of hard work needed.  And in the meantime, this automated spam by an editor who created nearly 4,000 automated spam portals is just a waste of the time of readers. -  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 14:57, 16 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete Can be more than adequately covered in Portal:Spain. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:02, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.