Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Classical guitar

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:19, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Classical guitar


Micro-portal created in 2006, abandoned since 2011.

Created in June 2006‎ by, who last edited in July 2006‎. The lead of WP:POG has said since late 2006 "Do not create a portal if you do not intend to assist in its regular maintenance", but that has not happened here.

The list of subpages at Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Classical guitar does not look to unhealthy at first glance, but that's because most of the subpages are empty shells created in 2011 by :
 * Portal:Classical guitar/Selected picture/1 and Portal:Classical guitar/Selected picture/2 both contain images, as created by NA1K in 2011. But ... /3, /4, /5, /6, /7, /8, /9, /10, /11, /12, /13, /14 and /15 are and always have been empty.
 * Portal:Classical guitar/Selected article/1 and Portal:Classical guitar/Selected article/2 each contain a selecetd article, unchanged since NA1K created them in 2011. But ... /3, /4, /5, /6, /7, /8, /9, and /10 are and always have been empty.
 * Portal:Classical guitar/Did you know last has a non-bot edit in 2012. I have not checked whether the pages listed have anything to do with WP:DYK, or whether they are like so mnay other portal just random trivia, but it doesn't make much difference here because per WP:DYK, "The DYK section showcases new or expanded articles that are selected through an informal review process. It is not a general trivia section". This list of items from at least 7 years ago loses the newness, so its only effect is as a trivia section, contrary to WP:TRIVIA.

Per WP:PORTAL, "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". But this set of 4 aged content-forks dispalyed 2 at a time is massively less useful in every respect than the head article Classical guitar and its navbox Template:Classical guitar.

Two newish features of the Wikimedia software means that the article and navboxes offers all the functionality which portals like this set out to offer. Both features are available only to ordinary readers who are not logged in, but you can test them without logging out by right-clicking on a link, and the select "open in private window" (in Firefox) or "open in incognito window" (Chrome).
 * 1) mouseover: on any link, mouseover shows you the picture and the start of the lead.  So the preview-selected page-function of portals is redundant: something almost as good is available automatically on any navbox or other set of links.  Try it by right-clicking on this link to Template:Classical guitar, open in a private/incognito tab, and mouseover any link.
 * 2) automatic imagery galleries: clicking on an image brings up an image gallery of all the images on that page. It's full-screen, so it's actually much better than  a click-for-next image gallery on a portal.   Try it by right-clicking on this link to the article Classical guitar, open in a private/incognito tab, and click on any image to start the slideshow

Similar features have been available since 2015 to users of Wikipedia's Android app.

Maybe someday someone will build and maintain a portal which actually adds value for readers. But if so, they will do better to start afresh, rather than building on these 12-year-old content forks.

WP:POG guides that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers". But this has clearly not attracted maintainers: its only content selection was added 5 years after creation, and in the 8 years since those additions it has been left to rot.

So I propose that this portal and its sub-pages be deleted per WP:TNT, without prejudice to recreating a curated portal in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:54, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - With 443 daily pageviews for the article and 11 daily pageviews for the portal, it appears that portals about specific musical instruments (see Portal:Pipe organ) do not attract the volume of viewers and maintainers that are called for by the portal guidelines. Concur with analysis by BHG, which is thorough.  Robert McClenon (talk) 22:55, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 23:07, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.