Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:East Frisia

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  Keep to allow  time to restart. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 07:21, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Portal:East Frisia


Abandoned portal, which appears not have been updated since 2010. Average of <10 pageviews per day. Suggest archiving, and redirecting to Portal:Germany Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:34, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
 * At 178 page views per day, Portal:Germany is worse. Portal:East Frisia at 10 views per pay is 22 views per day per million residents.  For Portal:Germany, it is 2 views per day per million residents.  Per unit area, it is far worse for Germany.  Redirect Portal:East Frisia to East Frisia; Redirect Portal:Germany to Germany.  The age of PortalSpace is long over.  Portals are not contributing to the project, they are abandoned, purposeless, moribund.  Their content is WP:OR or just content forking.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:47, 21 March 2017 (UTC) Try looking at the portals' history of edits, or talk page activity.  The mainspace articles are good places to send people to, the portals are not.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:50, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Not that inhabitants should have anything to do with pageviews, as those would rather look at the Portal located on deWiki. Nevertheless a redirection of Portal:East Frisia to either target is fine with me. Portal:Germany is not in scope here and is although in low volume still active with new article announcements and mainpage content (ITN/DYK) filtered to a Germany level as well as an active todo list. Agathoclea (talk) 11:59, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * In view of the promise by Bermicourt to look after the upkeep, I now favor keeep Agathoclea (talk) 18:45, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep, expand and update regularly.
 * Sorry, it is my fault that I haven't updated this as I've been working on other articles, but am happy to pick this up. After all the work to put it together, I'd be disappointed to see it deleted without a decent second chance.
 * BTW it's not quite fair to suggest it's moribund. One smart feature is that the articles and images of the month automatically change on a monthly cycle. So it does get refreshed, but more could be done.
 * To be honest most of the views above are to do with whether Wikipedia has portals at all; views which ought to be expressed at WP:PORTAL before proposing portals for deletion. I fully support the rationale at WP:PORTAL which, nowhere, suggests minimum requirements for them - perhaps it should. Portals are not articles; they are there to help readers quickly and easily find links on e.g. a region which may not be at the main article or at least aren't so clearly laid out. Portals also help project editors identify where the gaps are, where new articles are needed and so on. All of that seems reasonable. But this one needs a kick restart which I'm happy to facilitate.
 * BTW it seems only fair to inform WP:PORTAL and WikiProject Frisia about this deletion request. Can someone do that please? (Done!) --Bermicourt (talk) 18:14, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * If you kick this portal, what will be the consequence? If its state now is called "stopped", how do you measure "started"?  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:03, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * If possible, merge into Portal:Germany. That will improve the higher-level portal's activity without losing information. bd2412  T 03:13, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.