Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Faisalabad

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: Delete. — xaosflux  Talk 16:05, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Faisalabad


Mini-portal on the city of Faisalabad in Pakistan, abandoned since creation in 2009.

Created in July 2009‎ by, who last edited in Jan 2019, but has has made only 5 edits since July 2014.

Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Faisalabad shows a modest set of subpages, with only 3 selected articles and 5 selected pictures. However, closer scrutiny shows that:
 * Portal:Faisalabad/Selected picture/1, Portal:Faisalabad/Selected picture/3 and Portal:Faisalabad/Selected picture/5 display no picture. That leaves only Portal:Faisalabad/Selected picture/2 and Portal:Faisalabad/Selected picture/4, booth displaying mediocre photos unchanged since 2009
 * The 3 seleected article pages Portal:Faisalabad/Selected article/1, Portal:Faisalabad/Selected article/2 and Portal:Faisalabad/Selected article/3 also display the same topics as in 2009.

The result is a portal which falls a very long way short of the principle set out at WP:PORTAL: that "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". But this is massively less useful in every respect than the head article Faisalabad.

Two newish features of the Wikimedia software means that the article and navboxes offers all the functionality which portals like this set out to offer. Both features are available only to ordinary readers who are not logged in, but you can test them without logging out by right-clicking on a link, and then select "open in private window" (in Firefox) or "open in incognito window" (Chrome).
 * 1) mouseover: on any link, mouseover shows you the picture and the start of the lead.  So the preview-selected page-function of portals is redundant: something almost as good is available automatically on any navbox or other set of links.  Try it on e.g. Template:Faisalabad or on any of the other pages listed above.
 * 2) automatic imagery galleries: clicking on an image brings up an image gallery of all the images on that page. It's full-screen, so it's actually much better than  a click-for-next image gallery on a portal.   Try it by right-clicking on the article Faisalabad, or any of the othjer articles above.

Similar features have been available since 2015 to users of Wikipedia's Android app.

With a 2017 population of 3.2 million, Faisalabad may appear in theory to meet the WP:POG requirement that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers". But in practice, it has never attracted any maintainers, not even its creator (whose last portalspace edit was in September 2010, and whos elast edit to this portasl was in August 2009). And it also hasn't attracted viewers: in Jan–Feb 2019 it got only 2 pageviews per day, barely above the background noise of editors viewing the page, and only one seventh of the abysmal median of 13 views/day for all portals. The head article Faisalabad got 442 daily pageviews in the same period, more than 200 times as many as the potal.

I suppose that there is always some remote possibility that someday some editor will put in the hard work needed to create a portal which genuinely adds value for the reader, and that a group of editors will mainatin it.

So I propose that this portal and its sub-pages be deleted per WP:TNT, without prejudice to recreating a curated portal in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time. But I would not object to outright deletion. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:10, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - Concur with analysis by User:BrownHairedGirl. For the benefit of those who, with or without thinking first, say that a big city is necessarily a "broad subject area" that will attract viewers and portal maintainers, I offer a comparison of portal views and article views for New York City, London (including Greater London), and Faisalabad.

A portal has less than 1% of the pageviews of the article. Even the most viewed city portal that I have examined (which so far is Portal:New York City) has less than 100 daily pageviews, and town articles get more than 100 daily pageviews. There is really very little demand or need for portals for cities. This is a three-template automated portal, and we already have consensus that fully automated portals are nothing but content forks of the pages (templates, lists, outlines) on which they are based. If someone wants to put in the labor-intensive effort of setting up a new Portal:Faisalabad, Deletion Review is thisaway. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:30, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete all Redundant to the article and its links. Johnuniq (talk) 09:57, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - Abandoned draft of a portal, 19 subpages, created 2009-07-12 11:49:16 by User:Talha. Never went alive. Nothing to keep. Portal:Faisalabad. Pldx1 (talk) 15:11, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - clearly a very narrow topic and creator of portal is long gone–remains inactive most of the time. Portals should be on broader topic with plenty of content to select from which this portal doesn't provides. Störm   (talk)  15:35, 27 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.