Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Geography of Kenya

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 00:25, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Geography of Kenya

 * – (View MfD)

An outdated portal that receives low page views and has not been regularly maintained. While WP:POG is now a failed proposal, it is still utilized as a schema for advisement about portals and in MfD discussions, as per WP:COMMONSENSE:
 * This is arguably a subject area that is not broad enough for a portal, as evidenced by the overall available content on English Wikipedia about the topic, which can be ascertained at Category:Geography of Kenya.
 * In the first half of 2019, the portal has received a daily average of 7 page views, which for portals, is an inferior amount.
 * Maintenance and updating is outdated:
 * Portal:Geography of Kenya/Selected article: 3 total selections, all created in October 2013 (link, link, link)
 * Portal:Geography of Kenya/Selected National Park: 5 total selections, the most recent additions was in April 2015 (link).
 * Portal:Geography of Kenya/Selected Flora: 3 total selections, the most recent additions were in October 2013 (example link)
 * Portal:Geography of Kenya/Selected Fauna: 7 total selections, the most recent additions were in October 2013 (example link)
 * Portal:Geography of Kenya/Selected Region: 2 total selections, the most recent additions were in October 2013 (example link)
 * Portal:Geography of Kenya/Did you know: One page with 6 static entries, created in October 2013 (link)
 * Portal:Geography of Kenya/Selected panorama: 8 total selections, the most recent additions were in October 2013 (example link)
 * Portal:Geography of Kenya/Selected picture: by far the most populous with 41 total selections, the most recent additions were in November 2013 (example link)

So, go ahead and delete it. North America1000 17:47, 9 November 2019 (UTC) Robert McClenon (talk) 22:32, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - This portal had | 7 average daily pageviews in the first half of 2019, which is little better than noise, while the head article Geography of Kenya had 228 in the same time.
 * The intended Portal Guidelines were never approved by a consensus of the Wikipedia community, and we have never had real portal guidelines. We should therefore use common sense, which is discussed in Wikipedia in the essay section Use Common Sense and in the article common sense.  The portal guidelines were an effort to codify common sense about portals, and we should still use common sense.  It is still a matter of common sense that portals should be about broad subject areas that will attract large numbers of viewers and will attract portal maintainers.  (There never was an actual guideline referring to broad subject areas, and the abstract argument that a topic is a broad subject area is both a handwave and meaningless.)  Common sense imposes at least a three-part test for portals to satisfy common sense:  (1) a broad subject area, demonstrated a posteriori by a breadth of selected articles (not only by an a priori claim that a topic is broad) (the number of articles in appropriate categories is an indication of potential breadth of coverage, but actual breadth of coverage should be required); (2) a large number of viewers, preferably at least 100 a day, but any portal with fewer than 25 a day can be considered to have failed; (3) portal maintenance, (a) with at least two maintainers to provide backup, with a maintenance plan indicating how the portal will be maintained (b) the absence of any errors indicating lack of maintenance (including failure to list dates of death in biographies).  Some indication of how any selected articles were selected (e.g., Featured Article or Good Article status, selection by categories, etc.) is also desirable.  Any portal that does not pass these common-sense tests is not useful as a navigation tool, for showcasing, or otherwise.
 * Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Geography_of_Kenya shows 3 general articles, 7 fauna, 3 flora, 5 national parks, 2 regions, all forked in 2013, mostly unchanged, as per analysis by nominator.
 * The backlinks can be folded back to Portal:Geography, which is a main page portal, and to Portal:Kenya (without prejudice as to nominating the latter for deletion).
 * Absurdly low viewing, not very many articles, no maintenance.
 * Comment – In the interest of moving forward with a functional discussion, I have struck part of my nomination above, per a disagreement about semantics that occurred here. North America1000 05:44, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for striking it. But your attempt to misrepresent a failed proposal as a guideline (by using pompous verbosity to produce a phrase whose meaning is the same) was not a disagreement over semantics. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 23:43, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. — python coder (talk &#124; contribs) 22:20, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Yet another abandoned (or near-abandoned) portal on a narrow topic, unwanted by readers. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 23:44, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Abysmally low page views, narrow topic, largely abandoned for over six years, and has no maintainers. Newshunter12 (talk) 05:36, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin. I don't want in any way to prejudge the outcome ... but if you close this discussion as delete, please can you not remove the backlinks?  I have a bot (BHGbot 4) which allows me to easily replace them with links to the next most specific portal(s), without creating duplicate entries.
 * In this case I think that the appropriate new links would be to Portal:Kenya + Portal:Geography. Alternative suggestions welcome. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 07:25, 12 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete: Like this was ever a good topic for a portal to begin with. The more broad portals can easily handle this. ToThAc (talk) 20:19, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.