Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Goa

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:07, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Goa


Abandoned portal on the Indian state of Goa.

Created in August 2006, but largely abandoned after the first few years.

Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Goa shows:
 * Portal:Goa/Goan literature, barely changed since 2006
 * Portal:Goa/Selected bibliography, only 2 items, unchanged since 2011
 * Portal:Goa/Goa news, same items since August 2009
 * Portal:Goa/Selected biography, same topic since 2011

WP:POG says that unless automated, the content selection should be updated monthly, or preferably weekly. Even on a monthly cycle, this -portal has missed over 100 consecutive updates.

In theory, this state with a population of 1.5 million could be considered a broad topic. But in practice, it has not met the WP:POG requirement that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers". In practice this has not attracted maintainers for over a decade, and the current stale version clearly fails the WP:PORTAL principle that "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". But this is massively less useful in every respect than the B-class head article Goa with its navbox Goa topics.

It is time to stop wasting the time of readers by luring them to this abandoned draft, and time to abandon the wishful thinking that this abandoned relic will some day magically attract magical editors who will want to resurrect it. If any editor does want to build a real portal, they will be far better off without this relic and its ancient content-forked subpages; instead they should build a modern portal without content-forked sub-pages, as has recently been done with Portal:Geophysics.

So I propose that this portal and its sub-pages be deleted per WP:TNT, without prejudice to recreating a curated portal in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:21, 13 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - Abandoned draft of a portal, 21 subpages, created 2006-08-26 12:10:08 by User:Fredericknoronha. Never went alive. Nothing to keep. Portal:Goa. Pldx1 (talk) 13:15, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete:
 * I learned something from this MFD, and that is the current status of Goa. I had known that it had been a Portuguese colony and had then be invaded by India.  So it is now a state of India.
 * Either a state of India or a former quasi-country is a broad area.
 * Again, no recent maintenance.
 * Add this to a list of deleted portals that have been deleted without prejudice and can therefore be re-created without prejudice. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:12, 13 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Strong Retain: We have been struggling to build locally-generated content related to Goa, both in English, the small Konkani language and also other languages. In 2018, an informal WhatsApp group was launched for this purpose, to network and build content. It would be noticed that attempts have been made to build this portal (see entries on the discuss page) by local volunteers, especially The Discoverer and Ser Tanmay. Please have some patience before embarking on any hasty decision. fredericknoronha (talk) 00:09, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: WP:POG scope not met, WP:PORTALs activity and maintenance requirement not met. I think 100 months is more than enough patience.    SITH   (talk)   11:10, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Strong Retain: As mentioned by, we have been working towards building content about Goa and Goans for the past year or so, under WP:GOA. We are currently in the process of recruiting volunteers to regularly update the portal, as per WP:POG. We are also working on building content in multiple regional languages. SerTanmay (talk) 12:55, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * @SerTanmay and @fredericknoronha, whatever good work your WhatsApp group has spurred since 2018, it isn't reflected in the portal's contents. (That's probably wise, because portals get abysmally low page views. In this case, daily pageviews in Jan–Feb 2019 were 13 per day for the portal, versus 3,831 for the portal.  Best to concentrate your efforts on pages which readers actually read).
 * As for the discussion at Portal talk:Goa, it's all about one image.  As set out in the nomination, the content remains skimpy and outdated. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 02:26, 15 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment: Taking a look at the MFD of the Geophysics portal, I am beginning to better understand what the problems are here. Given a little bit of time, we can revamp the portal using the new automated tools as suggested. SerTanmay (talk) 13:13, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * That's why I recommend deleting this per WP:TNT. If someone does decide to work on this, they would do much better to build a modern portal without content-forked sub-pages, as recommended in the nomination.  There's no benefit in keeping the relic. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 02:28, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per nom. Another situation where we have an under-supported portal that is basically a replication of the main article+navbox, and the main article is tagged for issues.  Why would any reader want to get into the portal when the main article has issues?  We should focus our scarce editing resources on main article+navbox in all cases; only then can we earn the right in the reader's eyes, to expand with a portal (and, again, only where an editor(s) are going to actively maintain it, to avoid it depreciating the integrity of the main article in the reader's eyes). Britishfinance (talk) 13:28, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

We are a small Wikipedia community, struggling to make things work out of Goa (India). To my dismay, some editor has gone ahead in deleting the Goa Portal which we have set up for long (on grounds that it has not been updated). We were in fact trying to update it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Goa/ Instead, would it not be better to help us to keep this portal going and build it? Rather disappointed.fredericknoronha (talk) 18:17, 21 May 2019 (UTC)