Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Greenland

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:00, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Greenland


Abandoned non-portal. There's nothing here excerpt an excerpt of the lead of the head article Greenland, the navbox Greenland topics and the category tree of Category:Greenland.

Created in June 2013‎ by.

Per WP:PORTAL, "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". But this adds precisely nothing to the head article Greenland and is navbox Greenland topics.

The list of subpages at Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Greenland shows that there is Portal:Greenland/Selected article/1 and Portal:Greenland/Selected article/2. Neither is used in the portal, but while they could be added, it would be pointless, because the two topics are Nuuk (capital of Greenland) and Flag of Greenland. Both a linked from the infobox in the head article, so their inclusion would still add no value for readers.

WP:POG guides that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers".

But despite its huge landmass, the country of Greenland has a tiny population of only 56,480 in 2013. That doesn't make it much of a broad topic, and it has not attracted maintainers in the last 6 years.

Two newish features of the Wikimedia software means that the article and navboxes offers all the functionality which portals like this set out to offer. Both features are available only to ordinary readers who are not logged in, but you can test them without logging out by right-clicking on a link, and the select "open in private window" (in Firefox) or "open in incognito window" (Chrome).
 * 1) mouseover: on any link, mouseover shows you the picture and the start of the lead.  So the preview-selected page-function of portals is redundant: something almost as good is available automatically on any navbox or other set of links.  Try it on e.g. head article Greenland and on Greenland topics.
 * 2) automatic imagery galleries: clicking on an image brings up an image gallery of all the images on that page. It's full-screen, so it's actually much better than even a click-for-next image gallery on a portal.   Try it on any of the articles listed above Greenland

Similar features have been available since 2015 to users of Wikipedia's Android app.

This redundancy has been belatedly acknowledged by TTH, who wrote at the start of this month New encyclopedia program features will likely eventually render most portals obsolete. For example, the pop-up feature of MediaWiki provides much the same functionality as excerpts in portals already, and there is also a slideshow feature to view all the images on the current page (just click on any image, and that activates the slideshow).

I usually propose that abandoned country portals should deleted "per WP:TNT, without prejudice to recreating a curated portal in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time". But in this case, the tiny size make it less easy to add significant value beyond the head article, and unlikely that a portal would be maintained. A few more randomly chosen content content-forked sub-pages would be of much less value to readers than creating articles, e.g. to fill in the many redlinks on List of mountain ranges of Greenland.

So I propose that this portal and its sub-pages be deleted, with prejudice against recreation. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:05, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Contrary to what some might believe, Greenland is not a country. If that is actually common knowledge, then I guess I've been the odd one out because I only learned that fact last year. Also, it's a well known fact that Greenland is cold and full of ice (not green as the name implies). This is my way of saying, a territory of only about 55,877 (1 January 2018) (Greenland) is not likely to meet the breadth of scope requirements. tl;dr: It's cold and no one with an internet connection lives there. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 03:37, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: I created this portal but I don't think it has a future. I am disappointed that there has been no maintenance or expansion within the past six year. Incidentally, Greenlanders do have internet access. --Hazhk (talk) 08:29, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - I don't think that it matters whether Greenland is a country, that is, whether it has the three aspects of a country: a defined land area; a population; and a government that is fully recognized as sovereign by other sovereign governments. It has a large land area, a small population, and a government that isn't fully sovereign.  However, that doesn't matter, because the idea that every country should have a portal, so that we need to wait for the portal maintainer, is magical thinking.  The article gets 6632 daily pageviews, which is more than some countries get, possibly because this island is bigger than many countries.  The portal gets 10 daily pageviews.  Does anyone want to invest the substantial amount of volunteer time for a miniature Main Page?  That is the real question about this portal and many of these portals.  I think that the answer is No.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:24, 19 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.