Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Himachal Pradesh

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 05:54, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Himachal Pradesh


Abandoned mini-portal on the Indian state of Himachal Pradesh.

Created in December 2006‎ by. The lead of WP:POG has said since late 2006 "Do not create a portal if you do not intend to assist in its regular maintenance", but that has not happened here: Sushant gupta's last edit to this portal was in June 2008.

The portal esacped the wave of automation in 2018, but aprt from some formatting tweaks in the last year, its content is woefully neglected. Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Himachal Pradesh shows a modest list of sub-pages:
 * Portal:Himachal Pradesh/Fact sheet last update in 2017, still displaying outdated info
 * Portal:Himachal Pradesh/News showing news from 2009 and 2010
 * Portal:Himachal Pradesh/Did you know is still displaying the same items as in 2012. Per WP:DYK, "The DYK section showcases new or expanded articles that are selected through an informal review process. It is not a general trivia section" ... but this 7-plus-year-old list loses the newness, so its only effect is as a trivia section, contrary to WP:TRIVIA.
 * 4 selected articles and 2 selected biogs. The 4 articles were all addded in 2007; the two biogs were added in 2008 amd 2015.

Per WP:PORTAL, "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". But despite the effort put in building this portal 12 years ago, the result remains a much less effective introduction to the topic than the head article Himachal Pradesh with its navbox Himachal Pradesh.

Two newish features of the Wikimedia software means that the article and navboxes offers all the functionality which portals like this set out to offer. Both features are available only to ordinary readers who are not logged in, but you can test them without logging out by right-clicking on a link, and the select "open in private window" (in Firefox) or "open in incognito window" (Chrome).
 * 1) mouseover: on any link, mouseover shows you the picture and the start of the lead.  So the preview-selected page-function of portals is redundant: something almost as good is available automatically on any navbox or other set of links.  Try it by right-clicking on this link to Template:Himachal Pradesh, open in a private/incognito tab, and mouseover any link.
 * 2) automatic imagery galleries: clicking on an image brings up an image gallery of all the images on that page. It's full-screen, so it's actually much better than  a click-for-next image gallery on a portal.   Try it by right-clicking on this link to the article Himachal Pradesh, open in a private/incognito tab, and click on any image to start the slideshow

Similar features have been available since 2015 to users of Wikipedia's Android app.

Those new technologies set a high bar for any portal which actually tries to add value for the reader. But this portals fails the basic requirements even of the guidelines written before the new technologies changed the game:
 * WP:POG requires that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers" ... but this portals has been unmaintained for years, and it has abysmal page views. In Jan–Feb 2019 it got an average of only 9 pageviews per day, little over half the abysmal median for all portals of 15 views/day and a risible 0.41% of the 2,219 daily views for the head article.
 * WP:POG requires that portals have "a bare minimum of 20 non-list, in topic articles". But after ten years, has only 6 articles, a mere 30% of the bare minimum.

Maybe someday someone will build and maintain a portal which actually adds value for readers. But if so, they will do better to start afresh, rather than building on these 10-year-old content forks. And in the meantime, it's unfair to readers to lure them to this page which is simply a waste of their time.

So I propose that this portal and its sub-pages be deleted per WP:TNT, without prejudice to recreating a curated portal in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:21, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete concurring with the analysis by BHG. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:41, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - Per nom.Guilherme Burn (talk) 17:30, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.