Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Isle of Man TT

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: delete. ~ Amory  (u • t • c) 17:56, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Isle of Man TT


Delete An annual sports competition does not meet the breadth-of-subject-matter requirement stated in the WP:POG guideline. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:57, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment  - Courtesy ping: portal created 2012-11-10T17:24:23Z by User:Agljones: Portal:Isle of Man TT. Pldx1 (talk) 16:29, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete cleanup portal space time. Fails WP:POG Legacypac (talk) 17:21, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete - A heritage portal with too narrow a focus. Does the originator have a comment?  Robert McClenon (talk) 00:04, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete (not weak!) this editor has a long history of using WP to promote Isle of Man-centric articles, 98% notionally being motorcycle racing; although this is largely hidden, it is an example of using WP as a personal portal.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 00:09, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment The editor Rocknrollmancer has received a formal warning from the editor USER:Drmies for the use of “laundry lists.” A single item laundry list is still considered to be a laundry list and may be seen by other editors as repeated ‘supermarket shopping.’


 * There is no issue of a SPA or other ‘promotional’ issues or using a Wikipedia portal for personal reasons.  The editor Rocknrollmancer  has persistently disrupted this network (which includes the portal) just to disrupt Wikipedia to make a point.   This is shown by the editor Rocknrollmancer  with a general tacit admission in this edit   13:05, 8 May 2018 (UTC), including a number of comments  over a period of time required by Wikipedia administrators to be made invisible.


 * The editor Rocknrollmancer own comments has frequently breached Wikipedia and the editors own “red lines.” The issue of  what Wikipedia  may describe as ‘preferred subject editing,’  resolving issues of independent notability, article neutral point of view or making any article more encyclopedic should not been seen as a SPA or “promotional.”   agljones(talk)18:27, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
 * This is not the place for any further enmity targeted towards me for unequivocally identifying IRL an openly defiant editor with two CoIs and ongoing issues of WP:OWNERSHIP (see this vehement disruption targeted at me), and I know of no warning from any of the five admins (three being Arbcom) involved. Agljones knows well where AN/I is having been thrown out...how many times? Similarly the Teahouse?--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 19:32, 11 April 2019 (UTC)


 * The editor Rocknrollmancer is aware of the formal warning as can be seen by this edit on the editors own talk:page in respect of the removal of these edits  &  in this article and the discussion moved to this talk:page 15:49, 17 March 2017 (UTC) by editor  Drmies  in this  format chosen by the administrator.


 * If the editor Rocknrollmancer has analysed the edit history to the extent that may be suggested in this edit, 00:09, 11 April 2019 (UTC),  then the editor will be aware of the formal warning in respect to “laundry list” as the same editor Rocknrollmancer  has not restored the warning notices and edit tags which is a normal practice for the editor.   Also, that there is no issue or paid advocacy, article ownership or other ‘promotional’ issues as  I have not edited the portal for exactly SIX YEARS due to disruptive editors and also I have not created any new articles for over 4 years and not edited the main network article for ten years.


 * In regard to the further laundry list by the editor Rocknrollmancer  11 April 2019 (UTC) then the editor should refer the appropriate talk:page and article as suggested in the warning. The Rocknrollmancer has previously introduced neoglism terms and titles into articles which are not supported by the sources quoted.  For this  article, despite the underlying problematic issue with the article, source  RC062 (now a dead link) and the  self-published source (MacAuley)  WP:AEIS are primary sources which do not support independent nobility of the revised article or support the article directly as required by Wikipedia as context matters. In regard to the ANI, the editor Rocknrollmancer  should refer to Chapter V in the publication ‘The Story of the Manx (Grand Prix)’ (1st ed 1948 TT Special publication by G.S.Davision part of the Isle of Man TT series). This publication confirms to the ANI that the article does not have independent sources for nobility (and will never do so), the line entries are Original research WP:OR and/or WP:COPYVIO and synthesis WP:SYN from a sources not independent from the subject.


 * The editor Rocknrollmancer can now not deny that the editor is not aware of the formal warning in respect to ‘laundry lists.’ Any issues of paid advocacy or other promotional issues should be emailed to functionaries-en-owner@lists.wikimedia.org and provide evidence of such a claim. agljones(talk)21:36, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment Only The Isle of Man TT races is more than just annual sports competition and is the best known (controversial) motor-cycle race and previously part of the FIM World Championship.


 * To clarify for the editor Robert McClenon, the origin of the portal was meant to be more than a “heritage focus” and to include current and technically comment linked to the other motor-cycle networks and articles.  Also, the portal was to be developed to comply with WP:POG and highlight missing (general) cross-over topics and other articles needed to be improved.


 * The wider development of the portal stopped due to disruptive editing (ie see comment above) by more than one editor and development of the whole network has generally stopped for nearly five years for the same reason. The portal development may be difficult to restart or difficult for content to be transferred to other articles, due to persistent disruptive editing patterns by a number of different editors. agljones(talk)18:36, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.