Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Kashmir (2nd nomination)

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 23:27, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Kashmir


Abandoned mini-portal on the Kashmir region of the Indian subcontinent. Redundant to the head article Kashmir and its three navboxes ... and its under-watched content-forked sub-pages are un-needed vulnerability to POV-pushing in a region with unresolved international conflict, which on Wikipedia is subject to discretionary sanctions per WP:ARBIPA.

Created in December 2014‎ by, whose last edit was in January 2015. The lead of WP:POG says "Portals which require manual updating are at a greater risk of nomination for deletion if they are not kept up to date. Do not expect other editors to maintain a portal you create" ... and this one has not been maintained.

Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Kashmir shows a modest set of sub-pages, but many of them are blank, e.g. Portal:Kashmir/Selected article/3, Portal:Kashmir/Selected article/4 and Portal:Kashmir/Selected biography/5 and Portal:Kashmir/Selected picture/5. There are only 6 selected topics in all, and no new topics have been added since 2015. There is no news page, no list of topics apart from a navbox, no DYKs, no separation of topics by group (e.g. history, geography, arts).

Per WP:PORTAL, "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". But this is massively less useful in every respect than the head article Kashmir, with its 3 navboxes: Azad Kashmir topics, Jammu and Kashmir topics and Kashmir conflict. Between them, those navboxes offer a total of 376 unique links.

Two newish features of the Wikimedia software means that the article and navboxes offers all the functionality which portals like this set out to offer. Both features are available only to ordinary readers who are not logged in, but you can test them without logging out by right-clicking on a link, and the select "open in private window" (in Firefox) or "open in incognito window" (Chrome).
 * 1) mouseover: on any link, mouseover shows you the picture and the start of the lead.  So the preview-selected page-function of portals is redundant: something almost as good is available automatically on any navbox or other set of links.  Try it by right-clicking on any of these links: {tl|Azad Kashmir topics}}, Jammu and Kashmir topics or Kashmir conflict.
 * 2) automatic imagery galleries: clicking on an image brings up an image gallery of all the images on that page. It's full-screen, so it's actually much better than  a click-for-next image gallery on a portal.   Try it by right-clicking on this link to the article  Kashmir.

Similar features have been available since 2015 to users of Wikipedia's Android app.

That sets a very high bar for any portal aiming to actually value to the reader over and above the main page.

But it is theoretically possible that some day a group of editors may collaborate to build and — crucially — maintain a portal which genuinely adds extra value for readers. So I propose that this portal and its sub-pages be deleted per WP:TNT, without prejudice to recreating a curated portal in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:09, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - This appears to be the whole divided region, of which the Pakistani portion has its own portal that is also under discussion. I concur with the analysis by BHG and the conclusion that portals for topics that are subject to discretionary sanctions due to battleground editing due to a history of real battles are not likely to work.  The portal has 15 daily pageviews.  Traffic to the article fluctuates wildly, probably due to edit-warring (over a region that has had real wars).  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:24, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per the usual issues of de facto breadth, navbox forking and dustiness. Compounded by the fact that it's just a stale POV magnet.    SITH   (talk)   11:18, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - Abandoned draft of a portal, 26 subpages, created 2014-12-16 16:17:44 by User:Changetrl. Never went alive. Nothing to keep. Portal:Kashmir. Pldx1 (talk) 12:58, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per BHG. Störm   (talk)  16:04, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.