Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Military of Germany/Selected biography/6

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) K.e.coffman (talk) 17:43, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Military of Germany/Selected biography/6


This page is part of the German military history portal, as listed here: Portal:Military of Germany/Selected biography. The Werner Mölders page is no longer a featured article and should be removed from the list, as the intent appears to be to include high-quality articles. --K.e.coffman (talk) 00:59, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. The assessment department of the German military history task force of the WikiProject Military history lists 14 featured class, 25 A-class, and 64 GA-class biographies which could appear in this subpage instead of the nominated B-class article. The idea of the portal subpage is as a framework, content can be rotated in and out. Deleting the subpage because the occupying content no longer is featured is like cutting off the limb of a tree because it's not currently bearing fruit. BusterD (talk) 03:09, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. Per nominator's request, subject is removed from list. Content now replaced with appropriate FA class Gottlob Christian Berger. BusterD (talk) 03:23, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep and close – The content has been swapped out, making this nomination entirely moot. Portal subpages typically don't need to be deleted. North America1000 04:33, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - This is a great case for deleting the very concept of portal.
 * It seems that the builders of this one were not even knowing if they are portaling about Military history of Germany (across the centuries) or about the Bundeswehr of nowadays. The lead of this portal, and its categories, are about the Bundeswehr, no more no less. Why in hell do we have Gottlob Christian Berger or Werner Mölders here ???
 * The portal in question is not maintained to the point of not having a Portal maintenance status line at the top of the code.
 * This manual portal depends on a hierarchy of subpages. As an example, the first level page Portal:Military of Germany/Selected biography is a list of transcluded things using the various Portal:Military of Germany/Selected biography/nnn pages. This fucking first level page doesn't even have a talk page to describe how to change the listed items.
 * The second level page Portal:Military of Germany/Selected biography/6 was created 15:32, 16 December 2011‎, and only modified for suppressing a named ref, and a caption. During all this time the original Werner Mölders page was largely modified, and even the top image was changed. How synchronized ? Great question -- in other words, who cares about such a trivia?
 * And now, we have a regular of the Milist Project who is asking the MfD process to regulate their editorial problems. Ah la la.
 * Pldx1 (talk) 12:57, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment. I always hope for a civil discussion; I do not edit Wikipedia to raise temperatures on uncontroversial subjects. It appears User:Pldx1 is angry but I can't see why. There's so much wrong with the above comment it's difficult to respond. I will say that before I had edited a portal for a time I didn't understand the somewhat arcane construction and unique benefits of the portal. The advantage of a portal like Portal:Military of Germany is that it can display wide ranging content inside a given subject matter, like historical figures, current units, geography and culture, material which would be out of place in an ordinary articlespace. And for the record, while my heart is with the MilHist folks, it has been many years since I worked inside the project. I have not edited a portal in several years. I had never looked at the portal under discussion until yesterday. I'm here to salvage what has value and build enduring pagespace. BusterD (talk) 14:50, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Dear User:BusterD. In my opinion, the key point is the maintenance, or the lack of maintenance, of this portal. To provide an example, the list of the 15 biographies used by this portal about the Bundeswehr is (sorted by date of death):
 * 14 - Friedrich Wilhelm Freiherr von Seydlitz (3 February 1721 – 8 November 1773)
 * 04 - Frederick II (24 January 1712 – 17 August 1786)
 * 15 - Carl Philipp Gottfried von Clausewitz (June 1780 – 16 November 1831)
 * 12 - Manfred Albrecht Freiherr von Richthofen (2 May 1892 – 21 April 1918)
 * 10 - Franz Ritter von Hipper (13 September 1863 – 25 May 1932), admiral
 * 05 - Kapitän zur See Ernst Lindemann (28 March 1894–27 May 1941)
 * 01 - Hans-Joachim Marseille (13 December 1919–30 September 1942), Luftwaffe
 * 09 - Werner Karl von Haeften (9 October 1908 – 21 July 1944)
 * 13 - Walter Nowotny (7 December 1920 – 8 November 1944), Luftwaffe
 * 03 - Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling (18 July 1887 – 24 October 1945)
 * 07 - Heinz-Wolfgang Schnaufer (16 February 1922 – 15 July 1950)
 * 06 - Gottlob Christian Berger (16 July 1896 – 5 January 1975), General der Waffen-SS
 * 02 - Albert Speer (March 19, 1905 – September 1, 1981), Hitler's Minister of Armaments
 * 11 - Werner Goldberg (October 3, 1919 – September 28, 2004), recruitment poster for the Nazi Wehrmacht
 * 08 - Bernhard Carl "Bert" Trautmann OBE (22 October 1923 – 19 July 2013), German professional footballer
 * Except perhaps from Seydlitz/Frederick II/Clausewitz as historical references, none of them had any relations with the Bundeswehr... while Werner Mölders should be mentioned here, due to the "Commemoration and reversal of honours" section of his bio. Dear User:K.e.coffman, your move looks as an error !  Pldx1 (talk) 16:12, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - It is not the remit of the MfD process to delete the integer 6, which stands between integers 5 and 7. Pldx1 (talk) 16:12, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
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