Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Monmouth

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 00:53, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Monmouth

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Abandoned, manually-made micro-portal on a narrow topic.

Monmouth is the county town of Monmouthshire in Wales. Its 2011 census population was only 10,508. We have repeatedly deleted portals on much bigger cities for failing the WP:POG criterion that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers".

This one has not attracted maintainers. It was created in 2012, and last had any content update in 2015 when 4 DYK pages were created. Since then it has had only formatting edits, and Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Monmouth shows only 1 Selected article, 2 Selected biographies, and 3 selected pictures. So it has basically been abandoned for 4 years.

The B-class head article Monmouth is a vastly better way of exploring the topic. It has far more links, an infobox, and 43 images rather than the portal's two. Per WP:PORTAL, "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects" ... but this is another case of a portal being a massively degraded version of the head article.

Many portals on much broader topics have been neglected for even longer. There is no reason to expect that after 7 years, a zealous maintainer is going to appear out of nowhere ... and in the meantime it averages only 5 pageviews per day, placing at rank #1232 out of the list of pageviews for all 1502 portals, with less than half the abysmal portal median of 11 pageviews per day.

Just delete it, and don't try re-creating it. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:41, 29 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - Concur with analysis by BHG. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:06, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Per the ongoing debate over Portal:Briarcliff Manor, New York, I'm not sure this is clearly too narrow a topic, especially as it's a county town with a long history: nearly 5000 years if one believes the article, and there was certainly a Roman fort there/thereabouts. Nevertheless it is narrow. The head article is reasonable, tagged B/C class; I note its images are mainly located in two galleries, which are tagged and could well be removed any day soon, so that's not necessarily a good reason to prefer it. The portal looks pleasant and well organised, and its content, such as it is, is seems well chosen. However, at present there only seems to be one selected article, 2 bios & 2 images. Leaning delete, but if anyone wants to take this over and expand I'd be willing to change my mind. Has the Wikiproject been notified? Espresso Addict (talk) 06:35, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Espresso Addict, given the large number of portals on demonstrably very broad topics which rot from a decade of neglect, I think it's long past time to abandon the hope that a small towns is a suitable topic for a portal. The Briarcliff Manor portal is the product of one editor with severe WP:OWNership issues who is micro-documenting everything on a tiny town, and I am unpersuaded that it has created good articles, let alone a useful portal. even if that one is kept an exception, allowing it to be a precedent for keeping niche portals will simply perpetuate the problem of efforts being spread too thinly, degrading portalspace as a whole.
 * And even if he head article was stripped of its image galleries, it still has 16 other pictures, which is over 5 times as many as the micro-portal. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 11:56, 30 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - Yet another fake portal. Comparing with Portal:Briarcliff Manor, New York is absolutely enlightening, indeed. Briarcliff Manor provides a functional slideshow, while this one provides nothing. TWO biographies, what a shame. But let us open them. Henry of Grosmont, 1st Duke of Lancaster, born at Grosmont Castle (Monmouthshire). Little is known about his childhood (and nothing else). In Nov 1801, Horatio Nelson, 1st Viscount Nelson and two other embarked on a tour of England and Wales, visiting Birmingham, Warwick, Gloucester, Swansea, Monmouth and numerous other towns and villages. Whaow ! Monmouth Portal. Pldx1 (talk) 13:33, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.