Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Moscow (2nd nomination)

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:20, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Moscow


Stillborn portal. This portal looks today like it did when it went live in 2011 because no one has maintained it. Six selected articles, six bios four DYK, but none have been updated at all. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 06:49, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete This portal has been abandoned for nearly eight years and was dumped right after creation. It clearly fails WP:POG's requirement that portals should be about subjects broad enough to attract large numbers of maintainers and readers. This portal has had nearly eight years of no maintainers and it had a very low 11 views per day in June and July 2019 (despite the head article Moscow having 3766 views per day in the same period). Portals stand or fall on their merits in the now, not what could someday hypothetically happen with them, and this one falls flat. I am strongly against allowing recreation, as there is nearly eight years of hard data that Moscow is not nearly broad enough a topic for a portal. Newshunter12 (talk) 07:58, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Portal:Moscow – I concur with User:Mark Schierbecker and User:Newshunter12. This is not only a big city but one of the great cities of the world.  However, arguing over what is a broad subject area a priori is the wrong question, because the questions should be pageviews and maintenance, and we have seen that great cities, except Anglophone cities in Anglophone countries, do not attract readers and portal maintainers in the English Wikipedia.  This table shows viewing by various portals for great cities:

Most comparable to Moscow is probably Beijing, capital of a non-Western, non-democratic empire. Its portal was recently deleted. This one should also be deleted. If another editor wants to implement a new portal that does not use forked subpages, they know where Deletion Review is. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:42, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator and per @Newshunter12 + @Robert McClenon.
 * This is yet another a long-abandoned portal with very low page views.
 * I also oppose recreation. We have a decade's evidence that editors don't want to maintain this one. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 23:12, 16 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete cities don't need a portal.Catfurball (talk) 16:17, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.