Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Mughal Empire

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:54, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Mughal Empire


Narrow topic mini-portal abandoned since creation in 2015. Lots of redlinks, redundant to the navbox Template:Mughal Empire.

Created in March 2015‎ by.

In September 2018‎ it was converted by @The Transhumanist (TTH) to an automated format which drew its "selected articles" list solely from the navbox Template:Mughal Empire, of which it therefore became a bloated and redundant fork. (For a full explanation of why this type of portal is redundant, see the two mass deletions of similar portals: one, and two, where there was overwhelming consensus of a very high turnout to delete a total of 2,555 such portals).

I reverted that on 12 May 2019, restoring the last non-automated version.

However, that has left a portal full of redlinks, with minimal content: Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Mughal Empire shows only 5 selected articles, with all topics unchanged since 2015 ... and Portal:Mughal Empire/Did you know, which is nothing to do with WP:DYK, just an unsourced set of bullet-point factoids.

WP:POG requires that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers". This one has consistently failed to attract maintainers.

Per WP:PORTAL, "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". But this is massively less useful in every respect than the head article Mughal Empire and its excellent sidebar navbox Template:Mughal Empire.

Two newish features of the Wikimedia software means that the article and navbox offers all the functionality which portals like this set out to offer. Both features are available only to ordinary readers who are not logged in, but you can test them without logging out by right-clicking on a link, and the select "open in private window" (in Firefox) or "open in incognito window" (Chrome).
 * 1) mouseover: on any link, mouseover shows you the picture and the start of the lead.  So the preview-selected page-function of portals is redundant: something almost as good is available automatically on any navbox or other set of links.  Try it by right-clicking on this link to Template:Mughal Empire
 * 2) automatic imagery galleries: clicking on an image brings up an image gallery of all the images on that page. It's full-screen, so it's actually much better than  a click-for-next image gallery on a portal.   Try it by right-clicking on this link to the article Mughal Empire.

Similar features have been available since 2015 to users of Wikipedia's Android app.

That sets a high bar for any would-be-portal-builder to vault if they try to satisfy the WP:PORTAL principle that "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". It would take a lot of work to make a portal which genuinely offers more than the head article Confucianism with its sidebar Confucianism.

But maybe someone will find a way to make such a better portal, and a team of editors to maintain it ... so I propose that this portal and its sub-pages be deleted per WP:TNT, without prejudice to recreating a curated portal in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:33, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: hasn't cast its net wide enough in terms of content selection, and there's nobody there actually casting the net.   SITH   (talk)   11:24, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as per analysis by BHG. Has an average of 9 daily pageviews.  Has too many large red links, which simply indicate that it will never be finished.  Robert McClenon (talk) 15:12, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - Abandoned draft of a portal, 11 subpages, created 2015-03-12 10:54:17 by User:Royroydeb. Never went alive. Nothing to keep. Portal:Mughal Empire. Pldx1 (talk) 13:18, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.